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Offline lot

Re: Help in reading boss and my chart
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2023, 03:50:25 PM »

So is there any impact such that my tiger (寅) in the chart is clashed by the decade luck, 甲 戌 jia xu?

The combination occurs, but not transformation.

Xu in the decade luck will join together with tiger and horse to form a fire combo.

I got it now, was confused on the combination and transformation. Besides the decade luck, my chart also has the dog (xu)? Is it too much fire in my chart? You mentioned earlier that ren shen decade luck is good cos yang metal energy is stronger, how do we tell when its too much rob wealth (aka bad)? Ren shen decade is quite late :(

Online coldpillow

Re: Help in reading boss and my chart
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2023, 04:01:32 PM »

I got it now, was confused on the combination and transformation. Besides the decade luck, my chart also has the dog (xu)? Is it too much fire in my chart? You mentioned earlier that ren shen decade luck is good cos yang metal energy is stronger, how do we tell when its too much rob wealth (aka bad)? Ren shen decade is quite late :(

Fire is strong, but you are protected by earth. Unlike yin metal that prefers water, yang metal prefers fire.

Yes, the best stuff comes late for you. If you're into ZWDS, it's also quite apparent.

You don't have excessive rob wealth problem, because your self-element has no root.

Offline lot

Re: Help in reading boss and my chart
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2023, 04:50:39 PM »

I got it now, was confused on the combination and transformation. Besides the decade luck, my chart also has the dog (xu)? Is it too much fire in my chart? You mentioned earlier that ren shen decade luck is good cos yang metal energy is stronger, how do we tell when its too much rob wealth (aka bad)? Ren shen decade is quite late :(

Fire is strong, but you are protected by earth. Unlike yin metal that prefers water, yang metal prefers fire.

Yes, the best stuff comes late for you. If you're into ZWDS, it's also quite apparent.

You don't have excessive rob wealth problem, because your self-element has no root.

Got it! 1 more clarification on the theory, in the case when wealth (tiger) is combined away, normally what does it mean? 

I’m trying to adapt bazi to read my chart, its already quite difficult. Zwds looks more complicated.

Online coldpillow

Re: Help in reading boss and my chart
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2023, 05:23:11 PM »

Got it! 1 more clarification on the theory, in the case when wealth (tiger) is combined away, normally what does it mean? 


I guess you will have more authority than wealth. That authority is related to your work or spouse.

Offline aeonrel

Re: Help in reading boss and my chart
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2023, 05:11:11 PM »
@coldpillow ,

Really cool how you did that analysis so smoothly.
Lots for me to learn from  :)

Offline lot

Re: Help in reading boss and my chart
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2023, 05:32:10 PM »

Got it! 1 more clarification on the theory, in the case when wealth (tiger) is combined away, normally what does it mean? 


I guess you will have more authority than wealth. That authority is related to your work or spouse.

Thanks. What should I be doing more/improve on in the coming decades?

Offline aeonrel

Re: Help in reading boss and my chart
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2023, 07:56:19 AM »
@lot ,

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Are u able to share some insights on the next few luck decades (癸酉, 壬申, 辛未)?
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What should I be doing more/improve on in the coming decades?
In 癸酉, 癸 clash away your 丁, which is your career luck.
And 癸 is your output/expressiveness, so you'd doing things that challenges authority and management.
Could be speaking out more, arguing, or out-shining through work.
Whichever the case, work experience will take a bit of a beating, so be prepared for that.
酉 is unharmed in the branch, so branch-wise is ok.

In 壬申, both stem and branch are ok.
Yang water 壬 does not directly attack Yin fire 丁, so it is still fine.
申 in branch is healthy.

辛未 is bad for career again, this time in the branch, where 未 combines with 午 and takes away both energies.
未 earth is support element, 午 fire is career luck, so I would guess there might be some bad luck at work coupled with loss of reputation, status and/or rank.

庚午, if you are still working, career luck is strong, but do take note of any point in time where something clash the 午 or 庚.
Because it will one shot injure all the 午 or all the 庚 in the chart, and the effect is amplified.
Especially the 庚 since it is your Day Master.
It will be feel especially bad in all things during the period where Day Master is injured.

So like what @coldpillow had said, 壬申 is the better upcoming pillar.

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As to how to improve, I usually approach from Ten Gods / personality perspective.

Your chart is heavy on earth support elements, suggesting you tend to easily receive help.

You are healthy on fire career luck, especially when it is not attacking you Day Master directly due to the bridge protection of your earth as @coldpillow has mentioned, and itself is not harmed due to absence of water.

Friend luck (metal) and Wealth luck (wood) is generally ok.

The only lacking thing is water output luck, which suggest you aren't one who easily showcase/bring out your talents.
Despite that, overall I think your natal chart is fine because you have robust enough career luck coupled with strong support.

You will need to take note when water comes into the picture from decade or annual luck pillars, and see if it injures the fire in your natal chart, like in the case of 癸酉.
癸酉 paints a picture to me whereby you might be more seasoned at work by then, and hence more daringly expressive, which creates some conflict with superiors.
Nothing wrong with that in reality.
Just take note to use your expressiveness sparingly, wisely, at the right time, and you should come out unscathed.

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my chart doesn’t show a senior management potential right?
Actually I think you do have that potential, given your healthy career luck growing your strong support luck.
This suggest to me your career growth will lead to rise in reputation/rank/status, baring the influence of decade and annual luck.
For accuracy, you have to consider their influences, like those mentioned above.

Offline lot

Re: Help in reading boss and my chart
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2023, 12:00:14 PM »
@lot ,

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Are u able to share some insights on the next few luck decades (癸酉, 壬申, 辛未)?
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What should I be doing more/improve on in the coming decades?
In 癸酉, 癸 clash away your 丁, which is your career luck.
And 癸 is your output/expressiveness, so you'd doing things that challenges authority and management.
Could be speaking out more, arguing, or out-shining through work.
Whichever the case, work experience will take a bit of a beating, so be prepared for that.
酉 is unharmed in the branch, so branch-wise is ok.

In 壬申, both stem and branch are ok.
Yang water 壬 does not directly attack Yin fire 丁, so it is still fine.
申 in branch is healthy.

辛未 is bad for career again, this time in the branch, where 未 combines with 午 and takes away both energies.
未 earth is support element, 午 fire is career luck, so I would guess there might be some bad luck at work coupled with loss of reputation, status and/or rank.

庚午, if you are still working, career luck is strong, but do take note of any point in time where something clash the 午 or 庚.
Because it will one shot injure all the 午 or all the 庚 in the chart, and the effect is amplified.
Especially the 庚 since it is your Day Master.
It will be feel especially bad in all things during the period where Day Master is injured.

So like what @coldpillow had said, 壬申 is the better upcoming pillar.

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As to how to improve, I usually approach from Ten Gods / personality perspective.

Your chart is heavy on earth support elements, suggesting you tend to easily receive help.

You are healthy on fire career luck, especially when it is not attacking you Day Master directly due to the bridge protection of your earth as @coldpillow has mentioned, and itself is not harmed due to absence of water.

Friend luck (metal) and Wealth luck (wood) is generally ok.

The only lacking thing is water output luck, which suggest you aren't one who easily showcase/bring out your talents.
Despite that, overall I think your natal chart is fine because you have robust enough career luck coupled with strong support.

You will need to take note when water comes into the picture from decade or annual luck pillars, and see if it injures the fire in your natal chart, like in the case of 癸酉.
癸酉 paints a picture to me whereby you might be more seasoned at work by then, and hence more daringly expressive, which creates some conflict with superiors.
Nothing wrong with that in reality.
Just take note to use your expressiveness sparingly, wisely, at the right time, and you should come out unscathed.

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my chart doesn’t show a senior management potential right?
Actually I think you do have that potential, given your healthy career luck growing your strong support luck.
This suggest to me your career growth will lead to rise in reputation/rank/status, baring the influence of decade and annual luck.
For accuracy, you have to consider their influences, like those mentioned above.

Thanks Aeonrel for your time.
癸酉- how do u see that 酉is unharmed?
庚午-I’ll be like 73years old.. 😭

what is the highlight of this decade 甲戌 apart from wealth being combined away? I actually hope that I can work all the way and retire in this current company.

From what u said about 癸酉,means likely got periods of unemployment? Cannot imagine got period of unemployment.

What are the issues that will surface when daymaster 庚is harmed?
« Last Edit: September 26, 2023, 12:12:34 PM by lot »

Offline aeonrel

Re: Help in reading boss and my chart
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2023, 05:48:54 PM »
@lot ,

Ok, disclaimer: I use the Bazi school of Five Elements interactions, which looks purely at how the elements plays out at a given time period.
It can feel quite different from how traditional Bazi does its calculations.
It's your choice of following which Bazi logic you want, or all, or none.
But areas where it overlaps and reinforce @coldpillow 's reading, then the likelihood is stronger.

On with the questions:
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癸酉- how do u see that 酉is unharmed?
Branch row resultant flow for Yang elements = 寅 wood grows 午 fire grows 戌 earth = smooth flow, no clash
Branch row resultant flow for Yin elements = 丑 earth grows 酉 metal = smooth flow, no clash
The elements will always choose flow over clashing, so they will attempt to form the longest flow chain possible and only end with a clash when there is no other choice left.

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庚午-I’ll be like 73years old.. 😭
Haha...well...you said coming decades with no termination, so I just gave as far as my charting app shows.

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what is the highlight of this decade 甲戌 apart from wealth being combined away? I actually hope that I can work all the way and retire in this current company.
For me, wealth 甲 is lost because in the stem row, 戊 grows 庚 and clashes away 甲.
For 2023, when you bring in the 癸卯 annual pillar, 癸 clashes 丁 fire, career hurt by expression.
卯 forms a combination with the 2x 戌, losing wealth and 2x support luck.
I can do year by year analysis, but is very tedious, unless you want to just home in on one aspect of your life.
But I can tell you every year there is something to be wary of, in different aspects of life, but the same goes for everybody.
No specific risk to losing your job though - you will experience ups and downs throughout the years, which is very normal.

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From what u said about 癸酉,means likely got periods of unemployment? Cannot imagine got period of unemployment.
No, a bad career period does not necessarily means jobless, unless you put in enough effort to fulfill the bad luck to its fullest extent.
Just like a having bad day at work could mean getting scolded by the boss, not necessarily getting fired.
But you can also argue with your boss to the bitter end, which leads to termination.
Both are bad career luck days.

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What are the issues that will surface when daymaster 庚is harmed?
Ill fortune can come from any front when day master is harmed.
If employed, likely it will come for work.

Offline lot

Re: Help in reading boss and my chart
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2023, 09:14:04 AM »
@lot ,

Ok, disclaimer: I use the Bazi school of Five Elements interactions, which looks purely at how the elements plays out at a given time period.
It can feel quite different from how traditional Bazi does its calculations.
It's your choice of following which Bazi logic you want, or all, or none.
But areas where it overlaps and reinforce @coldpillow 's reading, then the likelihood is stronger.

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what is the highlight of this decade 甲戌 apart from wealth being combined away? I actually hope that I can work all the way and retire in this current company.
For me, wealth 甲 is lost because in the stem row, 戊 grows 庚 and clashes away 甲.
For 2023, when you bring in the 癸卯 annual pillar, 癸 clashes 丁 fire, career hurt by expression.
卯 forms a combination with the 2x 戌, losing wealth and 2x support luck.
I can do year by year analysis, but is very tedious, unless you want to just home in on one aspect of your life.
But I can tell you every year there is something to be wary of, in different aspects of life, but the same goes for everybody.
No specific risk to losing your job though - you will experience ups and downs throughout the years, which is very normal.

Lesser support luck means work aspect or referring to  印,health aspect?

Offline aeonrel

Re: Help in reading boss and my chart
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2023, 10:12:22 AM »
@lot ,

Yes, 印-types of stuffs. But I think you are familiar with it, so you know it can cover a very large scope, from mother to health to education to reputation.

It still can relate to work, like the help itself from colleagues, or mentor figures, rank / status / reputation.

Which one is it exactly? Sometimes it is difficult for us to tell so specifically and accurately. You will also need to do a bit of mapping between what is advised, to the actual happenings in your life, in order to make full use of the readings.

Offline lot

Re: Help in reading boss and my chart
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2023, 12:00:47 PM »
@lot ,

Yes, 印-types of stuffs. But I think you are familiar with it, so you know it can cover a very large scope, from mother to health to education to reputation.

It still can relate to work, like the help itself from colleagues, or mentor figures, rank / status / reputation.

Which one is it exactly? Sometimes it is difficult for us to tell so specifically and accurately. You will also need to do a bit of mapping between what is advised, to the actual happenings in your life, in order to make full use of the readings.

Lots of theories for me to learn. Thanks for the guidance. If i want to see which year is better for me to plan for child, how should I go about assessing? Do I see if the zodiac year forms a combination with my bazi and avoid those zodiacs that clash with my horse year?
« Last Edit: October 04, 2023, 12:11:45 PM by lot »

Offline aeonrel

Re: Help in reading boss and my chart
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2023, 03:37:10 PM »
Hi @lot ,

I use Ten Gods system to explain.
For ladies, the output element represent luck with offspring.
For males, it will be the officer element.

As metal Day Master, your output element is water.
So I would be looking out for 壬 and/or 癸 coming in the stems, 子 and/or 亥 coming in the branches.
However, so happen you have an unfortunate chart of losing those 4 water elements when they appear in your decade and annual pillars.
Because your chart natively contains elements that will combine with those 4.
丁 will bond with 壬, 戊 will bond with 癸, 子 will bond with 丑, 寅 will bond with 亥.
When combined, their energies are inaccessible to you.

One way is to have the exact same element appearing on both decade and annual pillar simultaneously, i.e. 癸癸.
So when one is bonded, the other is still accessible.
However, for that to happen for you is only 2033 (癸癸) or 2052 (壬壬), both which are not ideal in terms of age.

The next method, which I think is the best method, is to attempt to conceive during months where one or more of these 4 water elements appears. In addition, they should not be harmed by the element on the day of trying (i.e. an earth day that clashes away the water), and not combined away by the day of trying or the annual pillar.
Meaning to say, in 2027 (丁), it will be tough on a 壬 month since 丁壬 combines.
In 2028 (戊), it will be tough on a 癸 month since 戊癸 combines.

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I understand it may be discouraging to hear that your chart seems to act against your wish to conceive, but the chance is still good if you time the months well as per above advice.

I speak from personal experience as my spouse also has very poor output luck, taking into account decade and annual luck, but still managed to conceive twice.
And after I learnt Bazi and went back to check, the conception really happened during months/day where output elements were present and healthy.

So, good luck!

Offline ren

Re: Help in reading boss and my chart
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2023, 09:20:47 PM »
Hi Lot,

I will assume you have a partner / husband. Quick question...
Who is more interested in having a child? Your partner or you?

Thanks,

ren

Offline lot

Re: Help in reading boss and my chart
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2023, 12:00:31 PM »
Hi @lot ,

I use Ten Gods system to explain.
For ladies, the output element represent luck with offspring.
For males, it will be the officer element.

As metal Day Master, your output element is water.
So I would be looking out for 壬 and/or 癸 coming in the stems, 子 and/or 亥 coming in the branches.
However, so happen you have an unfortunate chart of losing those 4 water elements when they appear in your decade and annual pillars.
Because your chart natively contains elements that will combine with those 4.
丁 will bond with 壬, 戊 will bond with 癸, 子 will bond with 丑, 寅 will bond with 亥.
When combined, their energies are inaccessible to you.

One way is to have the exact same element appearing on both decade and annual pillar simultaneously, i.e. 癸癸.
So when one is bonded, the other is still accessible.
However, for that to happen for you is only 2033 (癸癸) or 2052 (壬壬), both which are not ideal in terms of age.

The next method, which I think is the best method, is to attempt to conceive during months where one or more of these 4 water elements appears. In addition, they should not be harmed by the element on the day of trying (i.e. an earth day that clashes away the water), and not combined away by the day of trying or the annual pillar.
Meaning to say, in 2027 (丁), it will be tough on a 壬 month since 丁壬 combines.
In 2028 (戊), it will be tough on a 癸 month since 戊癸 combines.

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I understand it may be discouraging to hear that your chart seems to act against your wish to conceive, but the chance is still good if you time the months well as per above advice.

I speak from personal experience as my spouse also has very poor output luck, taking into account decade and annual luck, but still managed to conceive twice.
And after I learnt Bazi and went back to check, the conception really happened during months/day where output elements were present and healthy.

So, good luck!

Understood, thanks!