Seal meaning

[Furbi]

Hello,
I have my bazi chart and i have few question for my chart,
Do you know what it means “host location all seal, your work depends on seal” what does it means?

I would like to understand my bazi well, because im curious why things had been not going well. And its been quite a process, probably im delusional/ not accepting life, but my curiosity still in best interest as in why. And i just kept on asking questions about my chart  probably some of you got an advice, would greatly appreciate it.

[aeonrel]

Hi @Furbi ,

Sometimes, some translated terminology I'm not familiar with, but I am guessing "host" here means Day Master.
If so, then Day Master is 辛 metal.

Seal, I understand, because it is a direct translation of 印.
In ancient China, if one possesses an Emperor's Seal, the greatest of 印, he or she cannot be imprisonment and/or executed.
Hence, seal = protection, which also means the element that supports the Day Master element.
In your case, since Day Master is metal, earth grows metal, hence earth is the seal/support element.
Your Day Master is mostly surrounded by earth supports, which I think is the meaning behind "host location is all seal".

If you look at your chart as a whole, 50% of it is filled with seal/support, which is a lot.
Correspondingly, the strength of the remaining elements will be lesser.
So the idea is that support/seal will play the greatest influencing force in your life, unlike say...wealth or friends, for example, because they are governed by wood and metal for you, which are lesser than seal/support.
So likewise, at work, you will more likely ride on the effects of strong seal/support.
Hence "your work depends on seal".

Now, what is seal/support?
It is basically anything that aid you, i.e. protect, guide, help, nurture, grow.
So that covers mother, learning, medical treatment, mentors, people to come to your aid in times of need, ethical thinking, self-reflection, religion, sleep to recover energy, house, reputation...the list goes on, as long that activity or category plays an intended role in supporting you.

Do note that in Bazi there are certain fixed elemental interaction rules to follow.
In this case, I am talking about combines.
Your 戊 and 癸 forms a fixed combination pair.
Your 未 and 午 forms another fixed combination pair.
When 2 words combine, their energies are essentially locked away and can be assumed to be lost to the chart.
So by default, you lose 2 seal/support, but thankfully, you have plenty, so you still have 2 more.

But do take note of meaning behind the losses.
午 as fire, is a suppressor of metal, so as a controlling element, it represents things that control you, like your work or male spouse if you are female.
For it to be combined with a seal/support and have a detrimental effect, it suggests to me that you might have a tough time following orders or accepting instructions when you don't believe those are the right way to do things.

癸 as water, is the output of metal, so it represents your ability to express yourself.
Combining with seal/support and having a negative outcome suggest to me that you are not someone who does things impromptu, ad-hoc, in the moment.
You are likely to consider many factors before acting, especially when it is important.
Some might say you overthink things.

An example of the above applied to work: You might be giving yourself unhappiness by over-considering things (loss of seal/support) which is hampering your productivity (loss of expression energy) and ability to perform at work (loss of controlling energy).

Your strength is that you will still likely receive help more easily than others, probably has a supportive family, probably had a good education.
These are still very useful things in life that can propel you forward, even when lacking expression or work luck.
You are very likely to have a good network of friends, as your earth grows the remaining 酉 metal healthily.
Metal being the same as your Day Master, represents affinity with peers.

All that being said, the outcome can still be very different because there are the changing elements of the rolling decade and annual luck pillars to factor in.

If you want a deeper analysis, please provide your decade luck chart or at least your gender for us to generate it.

[Furbi]

Hello Aeonrel,
I can confirm your theories:

未 and 午  combination, give detrimental effect on things i did for example i don't easily follow orders, honestly I need to face it by myself then i understand what they meant. Probably the reason why im still single.

I struggle with my education during my early childhood until universities, at the end of finish line and look back i realize that i can "make it" most of them due to my 'support' like taking extra courses, re-took some of classes. But it really makes me reflect on my ability and confidence.

戊 and 癸 Combination: Yes I had over considering things cause i have insomnia, i need to reflect my activities at night. it gives an assurance and confidence when im sure things working right. It also gives significance result.

About circle of friends, im not sure, Now Im not confident to venture out. But, most of my experiences with friends, some of them i realize that have no good intention..

Thank you Aeonrel for explaining so well, I can see through that things are really meant to be that way. And if you dont mind explaining since you got more experience in reading bazi charts, does life outcome can be change with effort? I got so frustrated because i cant 'standing' on my own.

Now, Im working with my parents, as specialized contractor in flooring, since they ask me to help.
For the past 6 years, its been challenging for us, due to covid and there are few years that my parent got sued (not involving with the company), then there is a project that we are not getting paid. Tough economy, tough market. Though, there are some years I considering out from company and work with somebody else, but i still unsure about that. Closing a company is not easy and expensive

Im asking for help to intepret my bazi because, people dont give me chance to do a project with them. I always get rejection, not a single thing on my lead. Thats why i kind of get frustrated. Whether i try to do in sales or in development of product.

I am being grateful with my support, i just really frustrated cant 'give back' to my supports. Hope you can understand that..

And thank you for asking to attach the life pillars

Regards,
Furbi

[nin99]

Look at Mihail hodorkovski.chart same month or carrer palace  like  him

He Will make alături of money în Mao yin  and lost everything în.jia yin lp both wood pillars.

[coldpillow]

Your chart needs more water (output).

Fame/popularity is the primary goal, wealth is secondary. So, I think you will start feeling luckier during Gui Chou, Ren Zi, Xin Hai decade pillars.

Did you never work for yourself or other people before?

[aeonrel]

@coldpillow ,

I think Furbi's female.
But I'm reverse engineering from the decade pillars shared.

[coldpillow]

Thanks. Didn't see the attachment somehow.

Then she should wait for better luck until Gui Hai LP.

But I would expect a bad year in 2018, followed by good years in 2019 and 2020.

[Gmuli]

Hello,
I have my bazi chart and i have few question for my chart,
Do you know what it means “host location all seal, your work depends on seal” what does it means?

I would like to understand my bazi well, because im curious why things had been not going well. And its been quite a process, probably im delusional/ not accepting life, but my curiosity still in best interest as in why. And i just kept on asking questions about my chart  probably some of you got an advice, would greatly appreciate it.

Hi

Host in this case means Day and Hour I guess.
That is viewed as belonging to you. Then Month and Year belong to the outside world in many ways and distance.
Resource, as something that is suppose to belong to you, is at its proper place, suggesting to interact with outside world one uses what one has(knowledge and how they present themselves in front of people, mostly).

As far as Work goes, one can use Resource to obtain Output in the Year. But more so, use Day and Month to obtain Chou in the hour and through it You metal.

Chou carries images of Resource/structure containing people that one can see when in front of them...
But what does that mean would really need real world knowledge to be sure, as most popular profession would miss an Image or two(can be related to cloths or fashion I guess, or to some way of showing/presenting cars or cloths or something). From the other topic, we kinda know it can also be work on houses(as they are also resource containing people,after all). : )

[Furbi]

@nin99 Yes i checked his life history, it is interesting that near LP Woods at 1986 his life getting better then 2003 as Oligarch in Russia, but unfortunately in 2005 he got arrested. And he got arrested 4 years before his LP change into Gui Chou.

@coldpillow Sorry do you mean in HS and EB need to be in that exact element? Im in HS Xin and I dont think this LP is good. Yes, I have worked with other people before then I moved to work in my father's company. No, I havent work for myself.

Isnt in LP Ren as water, it gives better LP compare to Xin You?
In 2018 I struggled with making orders, in 2021 is actually the worst.

And yes Im a female sorry, didnt meant to be secrecy while im asking for help, I thought I prepare the chart make you easier

[Furbi]

Hello @Gmuli
Im sorry if i intepret it wrong
But do you mean the resource in Hour and Day pillar is a source from how I interaction with outside world, knowledge, And with some work it can obtain Chou through You, Chou means source in cloth and house?
So in order to make the seal that i depend to work give result, i need to interact with more people and gain more knowledge.

[Spiritsfan]

Hello,
I have my bazi chart and i have few question for my chart,
Do you know what it means “host location all seal, your work depends on seal” what does it means?

I would like to understand my bazi well, because im curious why things had been not going well. And its been quite a process, probably im delusional/ not accepting life, but my curiosity still in best interest as in why. And i just kept on asking questions about my chart  probably some of you got an advice, would greatly appreciate it.

Hello.  Until 2029, you have bad pillars of luck.  Improvement will not occur until 2030.

[coldpillow]

@coldpillow Sorry do you mean in HS and EB need to be in that exact element?

No. HS/EB should be water. especially EB.

[Gmuli]

Hello @Gmuli
Im sorry if i intepret it wrong
But do you mean the resource in Hour and Day pillar is a source from how I interaction with outside world, knowledge, And with some work it can obtain Chou through You, Chou means source in cloth and house?
So in order to make the seal that i depend to work give result, i need to interact with more people and gain more knowledge.

Yes!But not exactly, it was just a summary,we has to go deeper. So Hour and Day are all resource - so you use what you know, understand and have to interact with the outside world in month and year.
However, Chou and Wei are different grouping(cold vs dry and hot), so one interacts with the knowledge within them(wei) and compares and adjust it to what they see when in front of people (Chou).

This are, obviously different levels of looking at it, at one Month and Year is outside - that is for whole life. At another Hour is outside - as that is in everyday life in specific situation. Host and Guest(you and outside) change depending where we set our focus.

That process of compare, adjustment and developing what one knows is awesome, however its clash, its much smoother if it was just punishment(Xu and Chou for example), but this is also very good, just may be a little more severe, at times. So one tries very severely to understand how people and what contains people(structures, groups etc.) work.

So the idea here is we have Wu and Wei in month and day working together to obtain Chou. Suggesting with the help of 'authorities', structures and people nearby you(family, local people high position in the community, somewhat not fitting great with the outside world, however) you obtain understanding of the processes you see in everyday life(Chou in the hour).

Somewhat like working together with family of strong respected individuals in work related to understanding purely physical processes of how people move and interact, group and understand etc.

Would be wise idea to develop that, I think. The house stuff is cool, fits to Images, but if Chou becomes greater principles of how humanity works it can get stuff on another level, doesn't need to be so material/grounded as working on a house.
As Chou containing people can mean a house, or can mean a country. The higher the level of 'abstraction' used the more interesting and respected path is, usually(house - more material then 'country that is somewhat not as material or clear). Can still work very material work, but there is chance for more if focusing on understanding what you see.


I rarely recommend this in forums so far, as it can be dangerous path, but in this case its tempting to recommend 'Structure of Magic 1 and 2'.
https://www.amazon.com/Structure-Magic-II-Communication-Change/dp/0831400498
Especially 2, but need both in this case.
Its a book. : )
Careful with this path if you decide to go there, but if you do and do the exercises I imagine much may be developed... Have to say that second part of it in the net is often meshed up with Models of Milton Erickson... Here is meant just the Structure of Magic part 2.

I get you didn't ask for books, but this fits to the chart, so seems good idea to mention. : )

[Furbi]

@Spiritsfan Hello
could you please collaborate more how you read it? From what i know, another LP Ren Xu is start at 2028, while in 2030 is Geng Xu.

@coldpillow Do you mean this chart really needs water only? Or do you mean with water, it makes the chart flow better? I thought there is explanation need wood also as in wealth. Since it really lacks on it.

[Spiritsfan]

@Furbi . Hello.  I use Taoist BaZi.  Heavenly trunk - deity or human DM.  The earthly branch - what influence it has on you for 10 years.