Need help to understand the life pattern

[Twilight]

Hello all,
I have attached two charts. The chart with yi-Chou Day master, i have came to know thats it is a special kind of a "Follower Chart". Every second luck pillar is a clarity pillar in it. can someone please explain me the pros and cons of this pattern? In the main chart though, it seems like its too much earth, but how is it going to overall effect? or does is even effect as this is a Follower chart? mentioning that this female has no affinity with mother, father recently passed away and the other relatives shown their real faces after the death of father. So Zero Affinity with anyone in the family. Another shift was seen in finances and career, She is a real hard stuff and knows how to stand tall in harsh situations, just need guidance for upcoming shortcomings if anyone here could help reading the chart. How Special is this chart and in what ways?

The other chart is of possible suitor for this female. What are the life patterns for this REN-Xu daymaster? overall personality, shortcomings, life patterns, and possible hard situation in terms of marriage? and how to deal? will this person be able to deal the "special chart"?

[coldpillow]

Her career will decline sharply as soon as she entered Yi Mao decade luck with a (fake) follower chart. All great things about her is now expired/obsolete, like an illusion.

She could be a child prodigy growing up. But from Yi Mao onward, she is just ordinary.

Follower charts bring tremendous success during favorable decade luck. But when it is no longer favorable, we immediately become ordinary. If we insist, what's ordinary might become a downfall.

Unfavorable decade luck turns a (fake) follower chart into a normal weak chart. True followers are strong enough to retain some of their greatness during unfavorable decade luck, similar to a very strong daymaster. But the fake follower ones aren't.

[Twilight]

Her career will decline sharply as soon as she entered Yi Mao decade luck with a (fake) follower chart. All great things about her is now expired/obsolete, like an illusion.

She could be a child prodigy growing up. But from Yi Mao onward, she is just ordinary.

Follower charts bring tremendous success during favourable decade luck. But when it is no longer favourable, we immediately become ordinary. If we insist, what's ordinary might become a downfall.

Unfavourable decade luck turns a (fake) follower chart into a normal weak chart. True followers are strong enough to retain some of their greatness during unfavourable decade luck, similar to a very strong daymaster. But the fake follower ones aren't.

Career decline, happened from 2020 onward. But the rest is confusing. She is blessed creative and able to do lot of creative stuff without effort But the environment she got (family especially) was never appreciative, never motivative and thus she never focused on any of her capabilities/interests/hobbies. She faced failures and deceptions on the relationship end, be it close family relations, or be it friends and love relations. There is no "tremendous success" so far. But yes something happened on 7th oct 2023,  where she was tried to forcefully handled, in reaction she showed all her hidden talents in frustration. She never spoke up for her own, and she did it now, She gave up on Paintings, she actually painted a calligraphy frame, She is eager to travel abroad but she never was let to, Now she wants it by hook or by crook. She wrote, and wrote to a good extent and she never wrote anything before.

Another thing, till now she always preferred responsibilities over her own interests. Worked hard to earn and whatever she earned (out of her good heart) give it to someone in need and never got it back. Never received any good for her good done to others. Never earned any big amount to call her rich, and never took loans. She remained fair in terms of her hard earned money so far. She remained all fair in her hard to perform responsibilities that she even sacrificed her goals and interests, even an earning career for these.

How can you explain it please?

[coldpillow]

If there's no tremendous success from her school years to her 20s, then I *guess* it's basically a normal weak chart with intention to act like a fake follower chart. 

She's now in a favorable decade pillar but she needs fire to be lucky (2025, 2026, 2027).

- Weak chart becomes stronger thanks to Yi Mao decade pillar.
- Weak chart is able to act like successful fake follower thanks to Bing Wu (2026) annual pillar.

[Twilight]

The time since her school days was non-appreciative, struggling and hard. The next 5-6 years were full of deceptions, people who let her down, hard family life and next till now are about failures in goal achievements, hard career struggles, failures in relationships and hard struggles for responsibilities.

I am not a Bazi person, I just read few chunks time to time. That "follower chart" thing confused me. Also I don't know much about simple chart even thats why I asked for guidance regarding this chart's life, the main patterns, hurdles, and efforts she should focus on. I would appreciate if someone would throughly guide me as the chart holder is badly stuck and tired of struggles now. 

Also i need guidance about the other chart i posted.

[coldpillow]

The suitor is 7 years younger?

His chart also needs fire to succeed and this fire is related to a marriage. However, there are multiple negative interactions between both natal charts: Chou-Xu-Wei, Chen-Xu, Chen-Mao... which looks terrible.

[Twilight]

The suitor is 7 years younger?

His chart also needs fire to succeed and this fire is related to a marriage. However, there are multiple negative interactions between both natal charts: Chou-Xu-Wei, Chen-Xu, Chen-Mao... which looks terrible.

fire is related to a marriage? what does that mean?

how about fire if the girl is into design, creativity and business side of career? will that help her ? what are her favourable and non favourable elements? I believe that the initial years with Fire helped her chart to produce water from the metal, she is strong headed one, creative and disciplined. And that might have helped her grow. There have been health issues but she is not easy giving up.

the boy's chart has rabbit - Dog combination, a fire combination. how about that? similarly the girl's chart also have hidden combinations and support. In my limited understanding these both charts are supporting each others elements too. am i wrong in this analysis?

Also like i said, i just read very basic chunks of bazi, I don't know much about how the negative interactions would effect but yes he is younger, and from a very different culture, background, upbringing and status. Also the girl doesn't want him to be close to her family either. will these factors count for all these clashes you mentioned?

[coldpillow]

Favorable elements are fire, water, yin wood (self-element) and yang metal (direct officer).

Her career could be influenced by fire (creative industry) the most.

His wealth luck depends on Mao-Xu combo, which produce/strengthen fire. Xu is located in the day branch, his spouse palace.

All those clashes will cancel that beneficial combo and hurt the relationship with in-laws, themselves and children.

   
similarly the girl's chart also have hidden combinations and support. In my limited understanding these both charts are supporting each others elements too. am i wrong in this analysis?

Not wrong. I just focus on the most obvious ones.

[Twilight]

@coldpillow thank you for insights, i appreciate your assistance.
but there is one more thing, i have tried calculating her hour through different events in her life. like her fathers death and all. But so u think it should be Gui Wei (2:00 PM hour)? I have mentioned some life details i can provide you more if u want.

And like i said i no nothing about Bazi i just learnt in chunks the material available in english. so i need help understanding. There are few things which still confuses me about her hour pillar is: she suddenly started liking Maths and got a grip over that subject in 2002, but lost all her interest in it in 2005, and latter she never chose even Computer Programming (Calculative) rather she got herself into design and creativity following her own interest in 2008 onwards and still doing it.
Her elder brother is Gui Wei day master and somehow he kept an influence on her for alot of things, but as she now realized that he is the one eating up all her resources she is not trusting him anymore. things started unfolding after april 2023 after her fathers death.

Do u think there is a chance that she has Gui Wei hour pillar?

[coldpillow]

@coldpillow thank you for insights, i appreciate your assistance.
but there is one more thing, i have tried calculating her hour through different events in her life. like her fathers death and all. But so u think it should be Gui Wei (2:00 PM hour)? I have mentioned some life details i can provide you more if u want.

And like i said i no nothing about Bazi i just learnt in chunks the material available in english. so i need help understanding. There are few things which still confuses me about her hour pillar is: she suddenly started liking Maths and got a grip over that subject in 2002, but lost all her interest in it in 2005, and latter she never chose even Computer Programming (Calculative) rather she got herself into design and creativity following her own interest in 2008 onwards and still doing it.
Her elder brother is Gui Wei day master and somehow he kept an influence on her for alot of things, but as she now realized that he is the one eating up all her resources she is not trusting him anymore. things started unfolding after april 2023 after her fathers death.

Do u think there is a chance that she has Gui Wei hour pillar?

These are a lot of things. 

I will leave it to others that might be interested to look deeper.

[Twilight]

oh 
well let me see if i could get help from anyone else here

[aeonrel]

Hi @Twilight,

For my explanations, please refer to attachment for better clarity.

mentioning that this female has no affinity with mother, father recently passed away and the other relatives shown their real faces after the death of father. So Zero Affinity with anyone in the family.

But the environment she got (family especially) was never appreciative, never motivative and thus she never focused on any of her capabilities/interests/hobbies. She faced failures and deceptions on the relationship end, be it close family relations, or be it friends and love relations.

The time since her school days was non-appreciative, struggling and hard. The next 5-6 years were full of deceptions, people who let her down, hard family life and next till now are about failures in goal achievements, hard career struggles, failures in relationships and hard struggles for responsibilities.

If you look at her main chart, she has no water (support element) and a clash of Chou and Wei in the branches.
The lack of support element correlates to the lackluster family relationship, particularly the lack of affinity with mother.
Also, the Chou and Wei clash signifies conflicts with siblings, if any.

Her main chart also lacks fire (expression element), hence she naturally bury her interests and hobbies deep inside and she doesn't have the natural aptitude to surface them.

There is a Jia-Ji combination in her main chart.
Combinations are negative for both participating elements.
Jia wood (Rob Wealth) is the luck with people around her, Ji earth (Indirect Wealth) is partially her wealth luck and also pursuits of goals.
This means people around her have a tendency to take advantage of her efforts and accomplishments.
Since this is in her main chart, it is a problem she will meet throughout her life.

Losing her father can be correlated with the Wu-Gui combination.
Wu earth (Direct Wealth) from main chart and Gui water (Indirect Support) from 2023 pillar.
Mainly, Direct Wealth is a female's affinity with her father, so here Wu earth Direct Wealth is gone after combination.

But yes something happened on 7th oct 2023,  where she was tried to forcefully handled, in reaction she showed all her hidden talents in frustration. She never spoke up for her own, and she did it now, She gave up on Paintings, she actually painted a calligraphy frame, She is eager to travel abroad but she never was let to, Now she wants it by hook or by crook. She wrote, and wrote to a good extent and she never wrote anything before.

Oct is the month of You (yin metal) of year Mao (yin wood) of luck pillar Mao also (yin wood).
DM is yin wood too.
So yin wood in branch row also serves as a mirror of DM.
Hence, in Oct, You metal attacks and injure the year's Mao wood, which shares the same energy as the luck pillar's Mao wood, which affects DM directly.
So to one-shot have so many yin wood injured, it is a very negative impact on DM.
Source of damage is You metal (7K), which is also her ambitious self and willfulness.
This will likely explain her sudden forcefulness and display of talents in frustration.

This behavior will continue until early Nov.
During this period, it is the month of Xu earth.
Xu-Mao forms a combination.
Due to the shared energy explanation, the Xu-Mao combination takes away the same 2x Mao.
Xu is her Direct Wealth, so her desire to pursue her dreams is very strong this period, at her own detriment.
She won't get far though, because the Direct Wealth also loses energy due to the combination, so her desires will not be met.

In the following months, she will mellow down as the elements will not rock her boat so violently any more.
In fact, from Nov to Jan, water is strong, and water serves as her self-reflection element.
So she would probably think things through during this period and by 2024, she will be back to her usual self.

Career decline, happened from 2020 onward.

In 2020, Geng metal combines with luck pillar's Yi wood.
Geng metal (Direct Officer) correlates to her job.
Combination drops her luck with work, hence a decline.
Since it is a combination with wood (Peer element), I am willing to bet it has something to do with colleagues.

[Twilight]

Oh Thankyou so much @aeonrel for such detailed explanation, i really appreciate this favour. thank you so much, this explained a lot i didn't know. and by this explanation should i now confirm that i was right in guessing her hour as 3pm? it was 3pm and not 2pm right? let me mention the timeline here

• 
  - Blessed creative mind but gave up on many interests due to discouragement & responsibilities
  - Done with all the education & degrees, Schooling: Position holder (till 2004)
  - Never appreciated by family, No affinity with them, father: supportive but couldn't support openly, passed away in 2023 Apr
  - College time was bit off, lost interest, especially in maths (2004-2006)
  - 2006 onwards, close circle is of Males, couldn't get along with females
  - 2010 started career & interest developed in Creative learnings, struggling career, hard earned money, never took loans. relationship failures too
  - 2015, Invested in partnership, faced huge loss, major financial and emotional setback
  - 2017 dec, first ever travel to some other country
  - 2020 unplanned event forced to give up on career and focus on responsibility towards mother.
  - 2021, change of residence
  - 2023 oct sudden events regarding health but sudden recovery too.

 

In the following months, she will mellow down as the elements will not rock her boat so violently any more.
In fact, from Nov to Jan, water is strong, and water serves as her self-reflection element.
So she would probably think things through during this period and by 2024, she will be back to her usual self.

She now is stable though, but its been all her life that she kept giving up on her own self, her goals and interests. and now she wants to be herself, focus on herself. I was unable to look for anyways through her chart thats why I put up a post here to ask from the experienced people. Her main goals now is to get married in order to have some emotional support and happiness, to redo herself. Secondly she wants to explore the world, travel and learn. She wants to be an entrepreneur, wants to do something extraordinary benefiting others.  and she is stuck with all the boundaries set by her mother and with getting married it is really hard for her to escape, especially now when she is being ripped off financially by everyone around. 

Since it is a combination with wood (Peer element), I am willing to bet it has something to do with colleagues.

Not really, 2016 was her big financial loss and partnership and the partner was the main culprit (i have mentioned a timeline in other post too). 2020 was about her mother's health, some accident happened and she needed a 24/7 nurse for around like 3-5 months. The chart holder, out of her good was the only one to handle. She was a freelancer, in fact was self-employed at that time, working with her hired employees online and excelling good. But have to put all aside when handed over a responsibility in emergency. 


I wanted to ask about the other chart if that suitor could provide her the support she need.?
Is she going to get any relief out of all this tough life? is there still some better time for her to grow as her real self?
What are her favourable elements or combos to look for?
How about her career and goal? can she still keep moving when she is financially ripped off, and feels bounded by her own family?
Can marriage bring any good compared to the times she still was struggling in?

Thankyou again for the brief details, that really means alot.

[aeonrel]

@Twilight ,

For me, I think Jia-Shen fits better than Gui-Wei, because Jia combining with Ji, creates the "people around her taking advantage of her" effect.
Gui-Wei doesn't give the same thing.

- Blessed creative mind but gave up on many interests due to discouragement & responsibilities
Creative mind is due to the many Indirect Wealth elements in her chart.
Gave up on interests and discouraged easily due to lack of Output element.
Adherence to responsibilities is more of a toxic external pressure (Jia-Ji combination).

- Done with all the education & degrees, Schooling: Position holder (till 2004)
Nothing to tell from this.

- Never appreciated by family, No affinity with them, father: supportive but couldn't support openly, passed away in 2023 Apr
No affinity with family due to lack of support elements.
Interestingly, I was waiting for you to provide evidence on father being a better family figure, because father for her is represented by Direct Wealth.
She has 2 in her chart (Wu and Chen), meaning her relationship with father is not that bad.

- College time was bit off, lost interest, especially in maths (2004-2006)
Was she distracted with friends?

- 2006 onwards, close circle is of Males, couldn't get along with females
Can't see this specifically, but I'm thinking is it the Bing fire in 2006 and in the 2009-2018 LP?
Bing fire makes her more expressive, maybe louder and more prominent.
Guys takes notice.
Girls maybe find it too much.

- 2010 started career & interest developed in Creative learnings, struggling career, hard earned money, never took loans. relationship failures too
2010 is Geng metal which is strong career luck for her.
But you mentioned she was freelancing?
Career luck is related to employment luck.
Self-driven business is tied to Wealth luck.
Time period duration also not too clear.

- 2015, Invested in partnership, faced huge loss, major financial and emotional setback
Some time within April-May?

- 2017 dec, first ever travel to some other country
Before 7th Dec?

- 2020 unplanned event forced to give up on career and focus on responsibility towards mother.
Will feedback below.

- 2021, change of residence
Not much to tell from here, unless travelling out of home town / country.

- 2023 oct sudden events regarding health but sudden recovery too.
As explained in previous reply.

She now is stable though, but its been all her life that she kept giving up on her own self, her goals and interests. and now she wants to be herself, focus on herself. I was unable to look for anyways through her chart thats why I put up a post here to ask from the experienced people. Her main goals now is to get married in order to have some emotional support and happiness, to redo herself. Secondly she wants to explore the world, travel and learn. She wants to be an entrepreneur, wants to do something extraordinary benefiting others.  and she is stuck with all the boundaries set by her mother and with getting married it is really hard for her to escape, especially now when she is being ripped off financially by everyone around. 

I don't see much change in 2024 for her.
2025 to 2027, there is more fire, and maybe she will do things more for herself during that period.
2029-2038 LP, there is Yin wood in the branch.
For Chen day pilllar, when yin wood appears, high chance of travelling.
Hence, 2029-2038 is a strong period where she might travel the world.
Entrepreneurship is in her blood, with so many Wealth elements in her chart.

Not really, 2016 was her big financial loss and partnership and the partner was the main culprit (i have mentioned a timeline in other post too).

Was it 2015 or 2016?
You mentioned 2015 above.
2015 I can see why, 2016 not so much.
But event could have happened in 2015, and 2016 was aftereffects.

2020 was about her mother's health, some accident happened and she needed a 24/7 nurse for around like 3-5 months. The chart holder, out of her good was the only one to handle. She was a freelancer, in fact was self-employed at that time, working with her hired employees online and excelling good. But have to put all aside when handed over a responsibility in emergency. 

This one is the confusing bit.
Career problem can be explained via Yi-Geng combination in LP and AP.
But she is freelancing, which is her own business, so by right it should be referencing Wealth luck.
There is a Zi-Chou combination in the branches in 2020.
Chou is her Indirect Wealth and Zi is her Direct Support.
By right her mother is represented by Indirect Support, but I guess Zi contains Gui water HHS, so maybe it refers to the mother too...
Shen metal clashes Mao wood, which is a mirror for her DM (yin Wood), so yes, it is a tough time for her.

[aeonrel]

@Twilight ,

I wanted to ask about the other chart if that suitor could provide her the support she need.?

Here's what I can tell from the suitor's chart:

It's a weak chart.

• In stems, ignore DM, 2/3 elements are draining = weak factor
• In branches, 3/4 elements are draining = weak factor
• Not born in season = major weak factor

From stems, I can tell he is someone who is ethical and moral, but also rigid in character, so much so that it restricts his expressiveness.
From branches, I can see a Mao-Xu combination.
Mao is his expressiveness and Xu is his ambition.
This suggest to me he has an internal conflict between his desire to do what he likes and the path he sets for himself.
Chou clashes with Hai.
Chou is again his rigidity and Hai is his affinity with friends.
This means his rigid character is causing him not to relax and make connections easily.

His main chart also has no Wealth elements at all, which means he has poor affinity with females.

So overall, he is a rigid person, unromantic and not fun.
But he is at least morally upright.
Is he a bad person? Definitely not.
But is it the right person for the lady in question?
Can't conclude, but I lean towards not suitable because of his lack of female affinity.

Is she going to get any relief out of all this tough life? is there still some better time for her to grow as her real self?

I did a quick look through her LPs until late life....and I am sad to say there isn't an LP where it is 100% smooth for her.
So unfortunately, it will be more of catching specific years where luck is better and preparing for years where it is not.
If you are looking for chances for her to express her real self, then I recommend concentrating on fire years.
Her fire LPs were used up in her formative and schooling years.

What are her favourable elements or combos to look for?

The school of Bazi I use does not believe in 1 or 2 fixed favourable element for life.
Favourable elements and combos depends on the time period you are looking at.
What is favourable this year, may or may not be favourable next year, so on and so forth.
You have to specify which time period you want to investigate, then I can analyze and advise the favourable element for it.

How about her career and goal? can she still keep moving when she is financially ripped off, and feels bounded by her own family?

If we got the Hour Pillar correct, then no, wherever she goes, whatever she does, someone will try and rip her off.
But if she is aware, she can be mindful and prevent/reduce this from happening.
It's going to be difficult, because she has an affinity for getting ripped off.
You mentioned she has dreams of starting a business to help others - this suggest to me she might think for the benefits of others too readily, leading to her being easily taken advantage of (hence the Jia-Ji combination).

I suspect the bounding by family is the Shen metal in the Hour Pillar.
Apart from career luck, the Shen metal is her Direct Officer and creates the need to follow rules/orders/process.
No affinity with family, but wears the shackles bestowed upon her.
And her Wealth luck (Chen earth) is feeding these shackles.

Can marriage bring any good compared to the times she still was struggling in?

Drawing conclusions from main chart alone:
DM is Yi wood.
Wood and Earth is in conflict.
Wei on the Month Pillar also forms a clash with Chou.
If she marries, will be rocky.