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Offline Twilight

Re: Need help to understand the life pattern
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2023, 10:40:51 AM »
@aeonrel thank you so much you are not just helping me over the chart details but also with much of other concepts as well. yu just are a mentor and i appreciate that you take alot of time to read out all the details and throughly explain much. This really means alot to me

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- College time was bit off, lost interest, especially in maths (2004-2006)
Was she distracted with friends?
you may say that, but it was more like that she moved to "female" based, race based environment, somewhere where status different hit her hard, and gave her stress to survive and prove her wort it. It also lead to health issues in aug or sep 2005.

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- 2006 onwards, close circle is of Males, couldn't get along with females
Can't see this specifically, but I'm thinking is it the Bing fire in 2006 and in the 2009-2018 LP?
its always like she feels more comfortable with males then females. in family even, she thinks father somehow understood her but for the mother she takes her only as "label" and nothing more. Her close friends are males and females even when she tried, were mean and selfish to her. yeah but her student circle of females is respectful to her.

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But you mentioned she was freelancing?
let me mention that her career life has different flavours. in 2010 she started as a teacher, but she continued with her interest as Designer, kept learning and worked on some freelance projects in parallel. in 2014, resigned from teaching and joined research and development project as a designer. in 2015, invested and bore a heavy loss. It started in 2015 but continue till 2016 and she quit in jul 2016. Lifted herself back again, solely focused on freelance and turned it in to self employment by hiring people under her. This design based freelance thing continuously is there since 2010 in parallel. In 2020, as she has to Nurse her mother, that "responsibility" was given to her, it was like picking up between the 2, "career or responsibility" as both need her 24/7. So she picked responsibility. but that gap prolonged to 2021 and there had been similar issues till now including her fathers death which did not let her focus on career.

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- 2015, Invested in partnership, faced huge loss, major financial and emotional setback
Some time within April-May?
mentioned above, kept continuously investing from 2015 and when she demanded her part in 2016, it all ended in mess (july 2016)

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- 2017 dec, first ever travel to some other country
Before 7th Dec?
no travelled on 8th Dec

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2015 I can see why, 2016 not so much.
But event could have happened in 2015, and 2016 was aftereffects.
exactly you are right, i have explained it above too.

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This one is the confusing bit.
Explained above. In Aug 2020 she has to choose between responsibility and career, each required 24/7 focus. She has to choose "responsibility".

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By right her mother is represented by Indirect Support, but I guess Zi contains Gui water HHS, so maybe it refers to the mother too...
You are right may be. Con in first glance even I was like someone with "Rat" can be a good match to her. and in fact she had people with "rat" in day pillars, but she say it can only be "timely romantic / sexual attractiveness" thing. She had one with Rat Horse Dragon combination, and was the same "taking advantage theme". She is mature and kind, stayed on giving end, and is never into "timely relationships". She demands a solid base for relationship which i guess Rats are reluctant to offer. (in her case)

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Shen metal clashes Mao wood, which is a mirror for her DM (yin Wood), so yes, it is a tough time for her.
Isnt it like the Yi Mao should support the DM more? or is it that the clashes have more influence?


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Can't conclude, but I lean towards not suitable because of his lack of female affinity.
Umm isn't this lack of female affinity goes in favour of the girl? :)  She told me that the guy himself chose her and asked no shit, they talked for marriage, about marriage and want to pursue it. Isn't it possible that he could be "one women person"? If you say he is morally upright, may be she wanted it the most. you said Shen metal is her Direct Officer and creates the need to follow rules/orders/process. so may be she needs someone like it. Regarding romance, she said she herself is moody so she understands and sometimes the way this guy expresses his likeness for her, she said its enough to melt.

I put in on this post to ask someone, like even you said that she has such chart which "people take advantage of", can you see something like it here too? and if you say it is the affinity in "her" chart itself that people take advantage of her, this means that no matter who she choose as partner will be the same. the rockiness of marriage is in her chart that whoever it is it wont matter. right? no matter what combination what element is there in other persons chart. is it so?

They never met, its been 2 years, every time theres some external factor which doesn't let them meet. why it could be so? and is there anything that can be done about it? how long will that keep happening?

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I did a quick look through her LPs until late life....and I am sad to say there isn't an LP where it is 100% smooth for her.
So unfortunately, it will be more of catching specific years where luck is better and preparing for years where it is not.
If you are looking for chances for her to express her real self, then I recommend concentrating on fire years.
Her fire LPs were used up in her formative and schooling years.
She doesn't want a 100% smooth life. who even would desire so? from her life she want it something where she can grow like she is being designed to grow, an environment where she gets some support and someone to get back to. All for her she wants is to be an entrepreneur and she want to do something that her work speaks for her. something good for the society which the society could remember her for.

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You have to specify which time period you want to investigate, then I can analyse and advise the favourable element for it.
umm favourable elements for next few years? something that even could help me to analyse and calculate so that i could guide her with my limited knowledge later. I am a learner only and her chart is a bit difficult for me to understand, its kind of a"transformative" chart for me and i don't know how to explain. but everything here like i said for "rats", it must work for it, but then i realised if she is a "grass" or "small plant" she only needs a lil water from top and a good levels of water under her, to grow naturally. Excess water like "rat could wast it away. and it happened so, she faced health issues in 2020, stress in 2022 which continued till 2023 and right now after OCT "a heavy stress" giving output, She now wants to focus on her real self, her passions and interests.

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I suspect the bounding by family is the Shen metal in the Hour Pillar.
what can be done about it? can it work like introducing some friend with "Fire"? Because waiting for Fire pillars and seasons will introduce more stress in her.

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No affinity with family, but wears the shackles bestowed upon her.
And her Wealth luck (Chen earth) is feeding these shackles.
Anyway to get rif of it?

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If she marries, will be rocky.
Life itself is rocky, and she is mature enough to understand. She only needs someone to hear her when she fils up, she wants to get back to someone when she gets tired of standing tall. she just needs someone as her comfort zone. someone as home.

I want to ask something here, I don't know much but i have read through some case famous chart case studies available that after marriage, the charts starts to work as "one" too. pillars in one start effecting pillars in other too. whats missing in one starts filling the other too. so if even we say that these both charts are weak charts cant they be some good after merging and working together? aren't they not capable of working together as well? He got a fire combination, and being water, flowing towards wood and nurturing her up wont benefit him? water has to follow the downwards path anyways. Is he rigit enough not to flow in woods direction? she doesn't need all she just needs a lil of it? cant they relocate to some "Hot" area to fix some "fire" they miss. I know nothing about Bazi but just asking something out of curiosity.
one more thing. she is a "Pioneer" structure and he is the performer. She is wishing to be entrepreneur and He wants to be famous, given up on his some creative skills due to circumstances. Life has been hard to them both. Cant they both work their paths together? cant life get a lil easier for both but working together? any upcoming season, annual pillar, or luck supporting togetherness for good?
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Gmuli

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Re: Need help to understand the life pattern
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2023, 04:20:03 PM »
The lack of support element correlates to the lackluster family relationship, particularly the lack of affinity with mother.


I was wondering about that a lot. You mentioned it before. I checked around charts of people I know... I get the logic behind it, but I have some doubts if it is often as pure as it seems. Because...

As it happens, the person that I know that was most dedicated to his family, more then anyone I ever knew before or after, didn't had a single resource element in their chart.
On the other hand, someone else I know with only resource, is living for decades with people not related to her, even though she could live with her son instead.

Now, we can say she has problem with resource as its just too much, while he was 'follow son' type of chart, so that is logical... And that may be true. But my idea is... Judging only by that may misfire from time to time I think. : )

Offline Twilight

Re: Need help to understand the life pattern
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2023, 07:19:47 AM »
@Gmuli, Hi

 I would like to second you here, the Chart holder in my case is extreme empath, dedicated to family and almost to anyone who asks for sympathy and favour that that why she loses and never get any returns.

Gmuli

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Re: Need help to understand the life pattern
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2023, 09:52:36 AM »
@Gmuli, Hi

 I would like to second you here, the Chart holder in my case is extreme empath, dedicated to family and almost to anyone who asks for sympathy and favour that that why she loses and never get any returns.

I think it has to be needed where its given to get return, sometimes. : )

About the first chart... Lets say chart owners stumbles on some money. She wonders on what she want and what people nearby her want. It doesn't seem that is possible to spend on both, so that takes some time. At some point she just spends them on something else far away to solve the tension.

Or in everyday life... She walks the streets with a family member. Both hungry, having 10$ and only she does. She wonders if she should buy for herself or for her family member... Can't decide and end up giving it to random person on the street, or buying something else.

Is it like that?Or something else?

Offline tyc

Re: Need help to understand the life pattern
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2023, 05:03:44 PM »
Not an expert.  Based on what was written, this person is in need of metal.  Finding a partner (husband) is a possible solution.  However, is that the only solution?  Also, what type of husband should she look for: young, rich, self sufficient (independent), older will established, or other?

Offline Twilight

Re: Need help to understand the life pattern
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2023, 10:44:59 AM »
@Gmuli,

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I think it has to be needed where its given to get return, sometimes. : )

About the first chart... Lets say chart owners stumbles on some money. She wonders on what she want and what people nearby her want. It doesn't seem that is possible to spend on both, so that takes some time. At some point she just spends them on something else far away to solve the tension.

Or in everyday life... She walks the streets with a family member. Both hungry, having 10$ and only she does. She wonders if she should buy for herself or for her family member... Can't decide and end up giving it to random person on the street, or buying something else.

Is it like that?Or something else?

It is like that she "earned" money through hard work, have plans for future with that savings. Right then,  someone asked her to help (financially in this particular scenario) and she out of good, offered what she can. And that someone took it forever to even appreciate her help or even returning back the finance, or even returning back the favour anyway even when asked out for to. Other than this, she is good at charity donating by her own will anyway.

Offline Twilight

Re: Need help to understand the life pattern
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2023, 10:47:17 AM »
@tyc
Not an expert.  Based on what was written, this person is in need of metal.  Finding a partner (husband) is a possible solution.  However, is that the only solution?  Also, what type of husband should she look for: young, rich, self sufficient (independent), older will established, or other?
I am confused, whether you asked for her choice? or mentioned it as suggestion?

Gmuli

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Re: Need help to understand the life pattern
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2023, 01:01:55 PM »

It is like that she "earned" money through hard work, have plans for future with that savings. Right then,  someone asked her to help (financially in this particular scenario) and she out of good, offered what she can. And that someone took it forever to even appreciate her help or even returning back the finance, or even returning back the favour anyway even when asked out for to. Other than this, she is good at charity donating by her own will anyway.

We can follow this in the chart, but there is more. So in my humble view, there is vital parts missing.

Yi sits a top Chou. Chou is seen as Wealth/Asset, as DM controls Earth.
So the person sits on their own Wealth/money.
We want to understand it, so we have to look what happens with your money and that is Chou in this case.

Chou has tendency to 'fall' in Chen.
Because Chen is seen as Storage(Tomb) of Earth. So at times Chou will fall in Chen, so at times there is tendency to give money away to something further out. Joining other money connected to support/resource(Chen contains water, that is Resource).

Chen is what we call 'closed' as state. So whatever is in it it not accessible. Meaning there is nothing more, at this point, money are just lost in Chen.

So far all fits, but the actual mechanic contain more.

The actual movement would be:
Chou is in tension with Wei clashing it. So there is competition, struggle happening between your wealth and nearby people/family members wealth. At times that tension disappears then Chou is falling in Chen.

That means to be able to go deeper, at first layer we need to understand what happens before that money are given away. Is it done to take distance from something family/nearby people are doing with their money?Or they are made because someone close is making them?
Something happens before they are given away and we need that to understand the rest, including spouse, in my humble understanding.
Something like someone competing with a sibling or friend, then at some point competition ends and what they struggle for is given away without return.

Fire is in Wei, so we need to understand what that is. :)


Offline tyc

Re: Need help to understand the life pattern
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2023, 02:27:40 PM »
@tyc
Not an expert.  Based on what was written, this person is in need of metal.  Finding a partner (husband) is a possible solution.  However, is that the only solution?  Also, what type of husband should she look for: young, rich, self sufficient (independent), older will established, or other?
I am confused, whether you asked for her choice? or mentioned it as suggestion?
My though was meant as a question to other readers: guess I need to add additional information.  Self is weak but when strengthen, RW appears to take away wealth.  A possible counter is to use authority or DO to offset / control RW.  Husband can be consider as authority.

Offline tyc

Re: Need help to understand the life pattern
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2023, 02:35:06 PM »
@Gmuli,
Sorry to side track the discussion.  Still not sure why "Wei" is consider her true wealth, is it because simply the location below DM?  My question: Is there any way to protect "Wei" in this chart? 

Gmuli

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Re: Need help to understand the life pattern
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2023, 03:24:16 PM »
@Gmuli,
Sorry to side track the discussion.  Still not sure why "Wei" is consider her true wealth, is it because simply the location below DM?  My question: Is there any way to protect "Wei" in this chart?

I think because it can point us to something that we need to understand the rest.
As if we have Chou as her money, being lost in Chen... That happens only when the clash of Chou and Wei is stopped by combination.
So basically Wei protects Chou from being lost in Chen, by this 'competition' between them. When Zi comes as other people, Chou triggers, pulls away from Wei and just ends up in Chen losing all.

As soon as that ends, Chou is fully lost in Chen.
But Wei is other people Wealth(because its in the month).
So in some way, other peoples Wealth becomes what can protect Chou, by something happening between them. But we don't know what that is I think.
Also we don't know if the idea is to protect them, or Shen<>Chen frame points to something else that the person is looking to accomplish with that.

I get the idea of Jia combining with Ji, as RW taking her Wealth, but Ji is in the month, while Jia is in the Hour(where sometimes her own stuff can be).
So I'm not sure that is the mechanic that worries her, I think its in Chou>>Chen fall/tomb.

And Wei... Without Wei all is simple. Chou falls in Chen. Chen is closed. All is lost for now. Then awaiting LP when Chen or Chou are open, becomes interesting as then the person will benefit more clearly from what is given and what they have.
But here we have the people around that are trying to 'engage' chou preventing it from falling. And what that is becomes important, so we know if we should encourage that or if the process is fine the whole time(Chou is suppose to be lost, to look for Support for other people in far away places(Chen<>Shen frame in Hour/Year).

Offline tyc

Re: Need help to understand the life pattern
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2023, 03:52:33 PM »
Thanks for the detail. 
Can I paraphrase your thought as following:  protect wei not from the chart, but try to figure out / understand what is wei to the person then try to determine a way to protect it in real life.

Gmuli

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Re: Need help to understand the life pattern
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2023, 04:58:45 PM »
Thanks for the detail. 
Can I paraphrase your thought as following:  protect wei not from the chart, but try to figure out / understand what is wei to the person then try to determine a way to protect it in real life.

Possibly. But we can't know from this. Some of the Images come from outside, from the groups and events she is part of. And we have to align that.

Soo... The Wealth(her wealth and people nearby her) end up far away. Once in Jia, once in Chen, both carring images of something far out.
And that carries the idea of support(Shen<>Chen - frame of water).

So she looks for support for people far away. And she carries that, when in front of people, Shen is part of there, so when Zi  comes, all is given to support someone/something far away.

But we can't know what to do without knowing the other part. What is supported and why its supported. As protecting her wealth may be a bad move. Someday, Xu and of course Zi years and LPs will come and what she has worked so long for will bring fruit... Without knowing what that is, stoping the process is risky. Her whole life may be supposed to accomplish it.

Overall, yes, that is possible, but its also possible we aren't suppose to mess it up and just tell her to wait around 81 to see why that was needed. Also possible to have to adjust something else in it. Without the Images from environment around her, I don't think we can say for sure.

Offline aeonrel

Re: Need help to understand the life pattern
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2023, 07:12:57 PM »
@Twilight ,

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you may say that, but it was more like that she moved to "female" based, race based environment, somewhere where status different hit her hard, and gave her stress to survive and prove her wort it. It also lead to health issues in aug or sep 2005.
Not sure if this is the right way to read it, but due to more wood in 2004 and 2005 makes me think there people in her environment played a part.
i.e., for 2004, the stems give you Jia wood suppress Wu earth - People around her affecting her pursuits….but that only last for 1 year.
In the branches, LP Si fire combines with 2x Shen metal from main chart and AP - maybe strong forced structure from the status-inclined environment curbing her freedom to express, creating stress.
2005 and 2006 continue Si-Shen combine, though reduce to 1x Shen…but technically this combination should last the whole LP.
So if this was the root cause, I'm not sure how it played out before school in 2004.

I see Aug / Sep 2005 are metal months. Respiratory-related health issues?

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its always like she feels more comfortable with males then females. in family even, she thinks father somehow understood her but for the mother she takes her only as "label" and nothing more. Her close friends are males and females even when she tried, were mean and selfish to her. yeah but her student circle of females is respectful to her.
If this has always been the case for her, then it could be due to the healthy Officer Shen metal in the branches, which is affinity with males.
Otherwise, I can't see why there is a suddenly improved relationship with males in 2006.

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let me mention that her career life has different flavours. in 2010 she started as a teacher, but she continued with her interest as Designer, kept learning and worked on some freelance projects in parallel. in 2014, resigned from teaching and joined research and development project as a designer. in 2015, invested and bore a heavy loss. It started in 2015 but continue till 2016 and she quit in jul 2016. Lifted herself back again, solely focused on freelance and turned it in to self employment by hiring people under her. This design based freelance thing continuously is there since 2010 in parallel. In 2020, as she has to Nurse her mother, that "responsibility" was given to her, it was like picking up between the 2, "career or responsibility" as both need her 24/7. So she picked responsibility. but that gap prolonged to 2021 and there had been similar issues till now including her fathers death which did not let her focus on career.
2010 has healthy Direct Officer in AP stem, so that explains the start of employment.
Side lines should be due to her Indirect Wealth in main chart.

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no travelled on 8th Dec
Oh, so close!
If we use Symbolic Stars, for Chou day branch, Hai must appear.
Before 7th Dec, it was a Hai month.

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Explained above. In Aug 2020 she has to choose between responsibility and career, each required 24/7 focus. She has to choose "responsibility".
Actually, when 2020 AP stem Geng metal combines with LP Yi wood, if we take a step back, Geng as Officer means something that controls DM and Yi is DM. Typically we say Officer = job, but in this case it can be rationalized as the "responsibility", because it is also something that is controlling her.

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You are right may be. Con in first glance even I was like someone with "Rat" can be a good match to her. and in fact she had people with "rat" in day pillars, but she say it can only be "timely romantic / sexual attractiveness" thing. She had one with Rat Horse Dragon combination, and was the same "taking advantage theme". She is mature and kind, stayed on giving end, and is never into "timely relationships". She demands a solid base for relationship which i guess Rats are reluctant to offer. (in her case)
Strictly speaking, based on classical Bazi, Zi can form a harm with her Wei, Zi can also combine with her Chou.

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Isnt it like the Yi Mao should support the DM more? or is it that the clashes have more influence?
Yes it supports the DM more, but it also becomes exposed to risk like clashes and combines. When it suffers a clash/combination, the support flips over to a negative.
That's why some say it is better to have elements missing than to have them appear and be subjected to bad interactions.

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Umm isn't this lack of female affinity goes in favour of the girl? :)  She told me that the guy himself chose her and asked no shit, they talked for marriage, about marriage and want to pursue it. Isn't it possible that he could be "one women person"? If you say he is morally upright, may be she wanted it the most. you said Shen metal is her Direct Officer and creates the need to follow rules/orders/process. so may be she needs someone like it. Regarding romance, she said she herself is moody so she understands and sometimes the way this guy expresses his likeness for her, she said its enough to melt.

I put in on this post to ask someone, like even you said that she has such chart which "people take advantage of", can you see something like it here too? and if you say it is the affinity in "her" chart itself that people take advantage of her, this means that no matter who she choose as partner will be the same. the rockiness of marriage is in her chart that whoever it is it wont matter. right? no matter what combination what element is there in other persons chart. is it so?

They never met, its been 2 years, every time theres some external factor which doesn't let them meet. why it could be so? and is there anything that can be done about it? how long will that keep happening?
Lack of female affinity generally means not so great with the ladies.
Opposite of a Casanova.
Yes, great for female spouse when he is attached because lesser chance of him able to fool around with other women, because he has no game.
But as a female spouse, sometimes you would also like your husband to be romantic to you….but still, the guy has no game.
So, up to her really.
If she doesn't need the romantic part and only wants someone straight as an arrow, he's the man.

I don't think this guy will take advantage, cause it seems like he has rather strong morals.
The conflicting nature, if married, I think will come true because:
- For her chart, DM wood sits on earth. Wood suppresses earth, earth is spouse here. She will dominate her spouse.
- For his chart, DM water sits on earth. Earth suppresses water, earth is spouse here. His spouse will dominate him.
Personality-wise makes sense too.
She is smart (many wealth elements in chart), she will know how to work her partner.
He doesn't have much wealth and is rigid. Will be susceptible to manipulation.
Maybe it won't play out in a rocky manner, but very likely there will be a dominating scenario.

Not meeting for 2 years….hard to tell from Bazi.
I suggest Qi Men Dun Jia to divine this answer.

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She doesn't want a 100% smooth life. who even would desire so? from her life she want it something where she can grow like she is being designed to grow, an environment where she gets some support and someone to get back to. All for her she wants is to be an entrepreneur and she want to do something that her work speaks for her. something good for the society which the society could remember her for.
I thought when you asked if she will find relief in this tough life, you meant when there will be a period in her life where there isn't some elemental clash/harm/punishment/combination/etc., which there isn't for the LPs until 2059.
It's different if you are asking if she will find success in her entrepreneurship.

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umm favourable elements for next few years? something that even could help me to analyse and calculate so that i could guide her with my limited knowledge later. I am a learner only and her chart is a bit difficult for me to understand, its kind of a"transformative" chart for me and i don't know how to explain. but everything here like i said for "rats", it must work for it, but then i realised if she is a "grass" or "small plant" she only needs a lil water from top and a good levels of water under her, to grow naturally. Excess water like "rat could wast it away. and it happened so, she faced health issues in 2020, stress in 2022 which continued till 2023 and right now after OCT "a heavy stress" giving output, She now wants to focus on her real self, her passions and interests.
Actually, I thought about this…be it classical Bazi or the school I use…even knowing what are the favourable elements every year, how is she going use that information?
We can't change the elements coming in year after year, so it makes more sense to do a reading for whichever period you are interested in, rather than find out the favourable elements, because it's down to how we respond to the changing elements.

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what can be done about it? can it work like introducing some friend with "Fire"? Because waiting for Fire pillars and seasons will introduce more stress in her.
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Anyway to get rif of it?
For me, the Shen metal represents the order in her life and it is very strong due to the vast number of earths growing it.
So to shed its energy, we need water.
You mentioned water will destabilize the DM, which I think philosophically plays out correctly, because she has no water in main chart, hence water-related areas of life is difficult for her to play out, and this hardship can also mean the destabilization.
In Bazi, it is not easy to find one perfect elemental solution for every situation - you fix one thing, something else might become imbalance….choose your poison :-X

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I want to ask something here, I don't know much but i have read through some case famous chart case studies available that after marriage, the charts starts to work as "one" too. pillars in one start effecting pillars in other too. whats missing in one starts filling the other too. so if even we say that these both charts are weak charts cant they be some good after merging and working together? aren't they not capable of working together as well? He got a fire combination, and being water, flowing towards wood and nurturing her up wont benefit him? water has to follow the downwards path anyways. Is he rigit enough not to flow in woods direction? she doesn't need all she just needs a lil of it? cant they relocate to some "Hot" area to fix some "fire" they miss. I know nothing about Bazi but just asking something out of curiosity.
one more thing. she is a "Pioneer" structure and he is the performer. She is wishing to be entrepreneur and He wants to be famous, given up on his some creative skills due to circumstances. Life has been hard to them both. Cant they both work their paths together? cant life get a lil easier for both but working together? any upcoming season, annual pillar, or luck supporting togetherness for good?
Sorry, I can't help with this because most of this is classical Bazi and I don't read charts this way.
Can't they both work their paths together? Sure, why not? It's up to individual to choose.
Can't life get easier for both by working together? Depends on each individual's chart.
For me, to remain together, just watch out for times when any Direct Officer is injured/combined and for him, just watch out for times when any Direct Wealth is injured/combined.

Offline aeonrel

Re: Need help to understand the life pattern
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2023, 07:32:03 PM »
@Gmuli , @Twilight

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I was wondering about that a lot. You mentioned it before. I checked around charts of people I know... I get the logic behind it, but I have some doubts if it is often as pure as it seems. Because...

As it happens, the person that I know that was most dedicated to his family, more then anyone I ever knew before or after, didn't had a single resource element in their chart.
On the other hand, someone else I know with only resource, is living for decades with people not related to her, even though she could live with her son instead.

Now, we can say she has problem with resource as its just too much, while he was 'follow son' type of chart, so that is logical... And that may be true. But my idea is... Judging only by that may misfire from time to time I think. : )

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I would like to second you here, the Chart holder in my case is extreme empath, dedicated to family and almost to anyone who asks for sympathy and favour that that why she loses and never get any returns.

All true, but explained from another angle.
Dedication does not mean great relations with parents/mother.
I have a friend who does not have a drop of support element in his chart.
But he is a very dedicated, responsible and filial son…brings his mother for medical check-ups and all that.

But relationship with mother is plain, flat.
Nothing much beyond the basic hi-bye, and small talk.
It's not bad because no clash on support, but also nothing to shout about.

To me, affinity is very closely linked to the quality of the relationship.
You can execute the greatest empathy, dedication and care, but at the end of the day, if the relationship is still meh, then likely the support luck is also not strong despite the efforts.

Of course, these are from my personal experiences thus far, and I'm still learning.
So the more datapoints I receive that goes the other way, I will rationalize and fine-tune the way I decipher Bazi :)