questions about chart of a friend (young adult female)

[throosden]

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[coldpillow]

In ZWDS, looks like there are multiple health issues and it's quite heavy: https://zwds-calculator.com/chart2?month=1&day=19&year=1994&h=00&m=30&gender=Female&luck_year=2023&gmt=0&long=0

Her spouse box is particularly very chaotic, which represents her bad health and relationship. Sometimes these two have strong correlation (not a separate problem).

She may have problems with overspending too (Dahao in wealth box).

The correlation among certain stars in her happiness, property, career, and travel boxes doesn't look good for relationship.

Are there any incident or ominous signs in her past relationship?

[throosden]

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[coldpillow]

Money, health and relationship are the source of instability in her life.

Focus a lot more on her spirituality and work-life balance to improve her health. I think she should go through this phase before she can find the right person for her.

The ups and downs of her relationship, which are destined to be broken multiple times, should be taken as part of her spiritual journey.

Learn to forgive, let go, suppress her desires, etc.

[Gmuli]

All chart moves to connects with You, maybe explains why travel far away(year showing far away places, so all moves to connect there).

2019 something interesting happens. As Chen comes, like in other charts we've looked, lately. However in this case it seem to take everything except her(day).
Problem here is, usually falling in Tomb can be challenging, because if Tomb is closed the person feels like they aren't in open space and there are limitations and stuff.
However, they are also protected.

In this case, Day Pillar is the only thing outside the Tomb. So everything else is unaccessible, only she is left with EG, so thoughts within.
Looks scary. Maybe that is why health problems. But this is temporal, Chen will end, other times will come. : )
So patience for that one to end, just this year may be more noticable, because...
Well, Yi comes in Branch form as Mao. So her physical body enters. Its clashed by You. But more then that, its in Harm with Chen. So now, all is entombed by a structure and she is pushed away from that structure.
Also clashed by parts of it.

At the same time the whole movement leads to Bing. So expensive communication/creativity when in front of people and beyond distance. If Bing is limited, can lead to health problems, as the flow/movement can't manifest, so may need to internally balance that out. That is for whole life, of course.


Relationships.
All branches are subspouse palace. So her heart is everywhere, meaning from all parts of life she can feel deep connection to. Maybe not right now, as much, coz Chen entombs stuff, but outside of this LP.

I think it could work. Chou is closed, so in theory multiple Images of Spouse Stars, but she does have clear Image of Spouse Star too(You in the year), so I would think this is enough to work even with Chou present.
Although not sure. : )

Kids:
Bing can show a kid. Zi combines with Chou, Bing Roots in Si. So taken images from there, 18-55 somewhere.


Overall I think for health issues, either Chen entombing all except her, or Bing not allowed to fully express. Stuff longer then Mao year currently on, may be Bing related. : )

Bing is Fire - so clarity. Her inner world, shows in her creativity/communication. So that is very clear and bright. It makes sense, so one says/creates it.
Painting maybe can help, some artistic outlets can help and could be pretty result.

[Gmuli]

I was thinking about this, as it is interesting chart...
Since I'm not much in the forums, lately, seems good idea to post whatever else I had in mind, so doesn't have to recheck if there is anything more.

For relationships and other stuff - well, all falls in Chen, so she seems dedicated to something else. Can't imagine being able to keep dedicating all to it and make long term happy relationship. So possibly after Chen LP.

Health. Much improvement can happen once this year ends. As Mao is really getting both - distance from Chen, that she dedicated all to, so that hurts, also getting clashed by You. A little better this month.
Next year, Chen, so will have to play that one out in more points of view and possibly understand it better. As if one do understand stuff, its rarely a problem, in my view.  Who was on her side and who was not etc.

So for health - the other factor that is there for the whole LP, is Chen taking so much of the chart. Since stems are ending their flow with producing Bing, losing her voice, can be a problem. Even more so if its by her own choice. Keep some freedom is smart move, the chart may need it in this LP.
Although again - once Mao ends may be easier to focus on this.

Another thing... Si has tendency to aim for metaphysics and You /Chen can be seen as seeking ... Influence lets say.
So important to mention that any metaphysical system that uses Symbols in the fields of someone, is better avoided now. Long to go into why. Reiki is one of them, but there are many more. That could lead to health problem, especially for her.
If one has already set Symbols in their fields, there are ways to clear them, some meditations posted here can do it as well, if used in a smart way.
Exception is if that Symbols are alive, but that is rare to see in systems here, then is ok, but you won't know they are using symbols, like that, in most cases.

Anyway, thats what I can say right now. I'm guessing other members can pick it up, so that may be all from me I guess.
All the best to her, seems the most difficult part is almost over(with Mao year), as long as she does more balance approach to Chen, will likely be fine going forward as well. While I don't know the actual situation, of ocurse, I would imagine if handled in a balanced way, it should be fine.
For healing homeopathy(classical) is what we use and what most of the advanced practitioners in metaphysics I respect, outside of 5 arts, are using. Although that is just our choice, everyone is free to decide for themselves, of course. And without a good practitioner its rarely good, anyway.

[throosden]

Hmm lots of interesting stuff to think about.

Right now, not sure what chen could be. But around 1 year ago, her life did shut down more or less completely. On sick leave and just not enough energy to do stuff.
But since chen LP next year, I'm guessing this aspect will really come to the surface then?

All falls into chen but not the year pillar right? And in fact year pillar fully combines with chen, so they are related? So like you say "you/chen" can be seen as seeking influence ...

I think it could work. Chou is closed, so in theory multiple Images of Spouse Stars, but she does have clear Image of Spouse Star too(You in the year), so I would think this is enough to work even with Chou present.
Although not sure. : )

Chou closed because both combo with hour AND 3 harmony with day and month? (don't know to much of mangpai mechanics) If only one of these then it is open tomb right?

But why would it not work with closed chou? Because You falls in chou so she cant access except when it opens in time pillars?

Bing is Fire - so clarity. Her inner world, shows in her creativity/communication. So that is very clear and bright. It makes sense, so one says/creates it.
Painting maybe can help, some artistic outlets can help and could be pretty result.

Currently not really painting or artistic outlet, maybe in future ... but much interest in spirituality with certain practices that are very expressive, and I think it might be good to keep bing happy.

[aeonrel]

@throosden ,

I feel she is mentally and physically over-taxing herself.
Culprit to me is the combined effect of the following:

• The You (7k) that represents her ambitions
• The interaction between that ambition and her goals (wealth-earth), either from main chart or from the years
• Her strong output, putting her ambitions to action, but drains her
• The Gui and Zi water, which I think drive her to make decisions not useful for her health, so it does not really support her

For example, main chart alone, in the stems, Gui water grows Yi wood grows Bing fire.
Bing fire is Hurting Officer or Indirect Output, so there is natural desire to express and her acts are bold and big - and this all begins from her Indirect Support (Gui water)
But in the branches, Zi water suppresses Si fire, so her Direct Support suppresses her Direct Output.
Support to me is a lot to do with the mind, thoughts, morality issues, judgement of what is right and wrong, etc.
So on the outside, it looks like her thought supports her expression, but internally it conflicts.
To add to that confusing state, Zi is Yang water containing 100% Yin water, so it is Direct and Indirect Support at the same time.
Si is Yin fire with Yang fire as it's main component.
So this duality swimming around in a conflicting, yet not conflicting state...makes me question if this adds a mental and spiritual load on her.

Chou - her goals, grows You - her ambition, + the Bing output, easily explains for her extreme lifestyle, gunning for all sorts of objectives, and those objectives are more physical and outward (Bing output).
Very little in her chart revitalizes her: the Zi confuses her, Gui is useless having to feed the strong Bing, only the Yi wood is actually beneficial, everything else drains her.

Fire also sits in her Spouse Palace.
Her Spouse element should be metal.
Fire is harmful to metal, so for fire to sit in Spouse Palace, means she won't have good relationship with her husband.

For kids, there is potential for 2, because for females, output is kids, and there are 2 fires in her chart.
The strongest possibility is the Bing as you mentioned, due to the harmonious flow and the it sits exactly on the Hour Pillar - the pillar for offspring.
Bing is opposite Yin/Yang type to DM, so likely it'll be a boy.
I do think that if she continues to drain and not rejuvenate, she might not be in optimal health for child bearing.
After all, as weak DM, it is dangerous to be weakened further.

For luck with males, it will be her You metal.
But since it is 7K and not Direct Officer, higher chance she falls for those who tend not to treat her so well.

This Luck Pillar (2019 to 2028) is particularly challenging because:
LP stem Wu earth combines with Gui water.
LP branch Chen earth combines with You metal.
Unfulfilled ambitions and goals/loss of wealth, mixed with thoughts which are not helpful.

2020:
Stem - Wu-Gui combo, Yi-Geng combo, left Bing
Branch - Chen-You combo, double Zi-Chou combo, left Si.
Entire chart left with output draining DM.

2021:
Stem - Wu-Gui combo, Bing-Xin combo, left Yi.
Branch - Chen-You combo, Zi-double Chou combo, left Si.
Better than 2020, but still suffering from negative ambitions, goals and mind space.

2022:
Stem - Wu-Gui combo, Ren destroys Bing, left Yi.
Branch - Chen-You combo, Zi feeds Yin and suppresses Chou, left Si.
Output affected, still trouble with reaching goals, head space not helping.

2023:
Stem - Wu-double Gui combo, Yi feeds Bing.
Branch - Chen-You combo, Zi suppresses Si, Mao destroys Chou.

You see the past few years, her life is in a constant state of having her goals obstructed, output curbed and released, water playing games with her - very chaotic.

Finally, higher chance to meet someone in 2028 because it is Shen metal year - Direct Officer year too, which is good.
BUT, Si-Shen will combine, so I think her lifestyle will scare the potential partner away....

[throosden]

For example, main chart alone, in the stems, Gui water grows Yi wood grows Bing fire.
Bing fire is Hurting Officer or Indirect Output, so there is natural desire to express and her acts are bold and big - and this all begins from her Indirect Support (Gui water)
But in the branches, Zi water suppresses Si fire, so her Direct Support suppresses her Direct Output.
Support to me is a lot to do with the mind, thoughts, morality issues, judgement of what is right and wrong, etc.
So on the outside, it looks like her thought supports her expression, but internally it conflicts.
To add to that confusing state, Zi is Yang water containing 100% Yin water, so it is Direct and Indirect Support at the same time.
Si is Yin fire with Yang fire as it's main component.
So this duality swimming around in a conflicting, yet not conflicting state...makes me question if this adds a mental and spiritual load on her.

Chou - her goals, grows You - her ambition, + the Bing output, easily explains for her extreme lifestyle, gunning for all sorts of objectives, and those objectives are more physical and outward (Bing output).
Very little in her chart revitalizes her: the Zi confuses her, Gui is useless having to feed the strong Bing, only the Yi wood is actually beneficial, everything else drains her.

Hmmm, interesting that you see it this way, for me this chart was confusing.

Maybe first share my own thoughts of this chart since I haven't done this.

That from a non mangpai perspective, mostly focusing on strength/weakness and balance of elements there actually seems to be a lot of balance.

The biggest problem for me seems to be the lack of wood in the branches.
But strong presence of gui makes up for it nicely. Both of them help to balance the chart.

The fire in hour and day is strong but to me hai in branch is perfect element to keep both of them in check. Since hour branch is the most hidden aspect, maybe she just needs to discover it for it to work.

Si you chou harmony puts focus towards You year branch (ambition, power, perhaps even spouse) but nice flow to gui and back to yi again puts things in balance.

But that is of course very simple analysis taking in only strength and balance of elements into account.


So I was more or less thinking opposite of your ideas , but I like your point of view also and since were looking for explanation of why things are going wrong, perhaps your point of view is a little bit more valid



Hmm looking at Wu Chen luck pillar just now makes me think the following:

Strong earth presence
Full combine with year pillar
You becomes very strong
But Gui is supressed
So flow back to Yi which is very important for dm strength is interrupted

Harmony with Zi in Hour again suppreses the water which reduces control of Bing in HS and DB. (But Earth LP does also drain bing so maybe not too big of a problem).


But of course that is a very simple way to analyse things and I have already noticed Bazi is more complex then this.

[tyc]

I got the following points from gmuli:  chou is storage for metal & chen storage for water.  When chen clash everything falls into chen (water & metal). 

I guess wood could also fall into either chen or chou.  What about fire?  How or why is everything focusing on you?

[throosden]

I got the following points from gmuli:  chou is storage for metal & chen storage for water.  When chen clash everything falls into chen (water & metal). 

I guess wood could also fall into either chen or chou.  What about fire?  How or why is everything focusing on you?

Chen is also storage for earth.
Wei is storage for wood
Xu is storage for fire


Why everything focussing on you: I assume because the three harmony with D and M pillar with You YP as the core and relationship(destruction) between HP and YP. So all connects to you.

[aeonrel]

@throosden ,

Actually your approach is not wrong.
It is one of 3 classical ways to sought useful gods: balancing elements, bridging, boosting weak DM / draining strong DM.
I think yours leans towards balancing.
Just that I use 5 elements school, which typically frown upon balancing and identifying useful god based on boost/drain, because at the end of the day, we still need to work out the conclusion of the elemental interaction and check if there are elements injured/combined/overly-taxed.

Having all the elements present doesn't guarantee everything will be smooth sailing.

I do agree that everything connects back to You metal, philosophically speaking.
Because Si-You-Chou creates such a strong metal, using You as focal point, which creates such a strong ambition (metal) in her to accomplish so many things.
It's too much, it's weakening her.

[tyc]

Thanks throosden,
From rereading gmuli response, I think the issue is Bing caused by chou.

A balance chart but Chou closed out water & metal, which changed her chart structure.  Without 7k & IR to weaken EG, Bing exhausts DM.

[tyc]

Revised something I wrote.  It was Mao that caused Chen to close Chou. 

Next year is Chen.  Will double Chen cause punishment to the chart & open up Chou?  If Chen does the trick, will any elements protrude or work & help balance the chart?

[Gmuli]

Its interesting if we view how some people use divination. They have a lot of problem reading the outcome, as they are very focused on what they want it to be instead.

That is a case of Wealth controlling Resource, in my view. Our intuition(IR) is suppose to be not controled, to get our answer. But if we let what we desire influence it, stuff could get tainted. Then if the answer is suppose to empower us, it may not, as what we want may be what it will contain.

Good exercise is to keep them separate, try to divine without letting what one wants influence how they read the outcome. With time that can create some space between desire/want and events. Then Gui/Zi can become purer and chart can start to shine.

Just an idea, without tons of questions, no way to be sure. But there are enough Images to go with this I think.