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[nin99]

When a certain DM is born in a certain month, without other useful gods, then only RobWealth structure can be considered

The month DM is born must be of th same element of the DM

DM.        Month
Jia           Yin
Yi.           Yin and Mao
Bing.        Si
Ding.        Si and Wu
Wu.         Si or any of the Chen Xu Chou Wei, when the dominant DHHS falls under earth
Ji.            Si and Wu or any of the earth month when DHHS is earth, same like above
Geng.       Shen
You.         Shen or You
Ren.         Hai
Gui.         Hai and Zi

For the ones listed below, it is considered YangRen structure which is different from JianLu,

Jia in Yin, Bing in Wu, Wu in Wu, Geng in You, Ren in Zi.

Some practitioners earth has no YangRen but that is really subjective.

The other element in the month command does not protrude or move (meaning combine in the EB).

Eg if Jia is born in Yin with protruding Bing, it is regarded as Indirect Seal structure, Protruding Wu is regarded as Indirect Wealth structure. When both are absent and another Jia protrudes, then it is considered RobWealth structure.

原文：建禄者，月建逢禄堂也，禄即是劫。
JianLu, is where the month (of birth) sees the 'Salary Hall' (can be regarded as a type of ShenSha), Lu equals to Jie (Rob Wealth).

或以禄堂透出，即可依以用者，非也。
Or if Salary Hall protrudes in HS, then it can be relied on and be used, no, that is not the case. 

故建禄与月劫，可同一格，不必加分，皆以透干支，别取财官煞食为用。
Thus, JianLu and Month RobWealth are one structure, there is no need to separate them, even if they protrude in HS, take others such as Wealth, Officer, Devil or Food as Use (the useful god)


原文：禄格用官，干头透出为奇，又要财印相随，不可孤官无辅。
For Lu structure that uses Officer, Officer protruding in the HS must be accompanied by Wealth and (or) Seal to be a good structure, a solitary Officer without assistance is not good.

有用官而印护者，如庚戌、戊子、癸酉、癸亥，金丞相命是也。
Using Officer while being protected by Seal such as

Gui    Gui     Wu     Geng
Hai    You     Zi       Xu

Chart of prime minister Jin

有用官而财助者，如丁酉、丙午、丁巳、壬寅，李知府命是也。
Using Officer and is assisted by Wealth

Ren      Ding      Bing      Ding
Yin        Si          Wu        You

The chart of Governor Lee (approximation of the title of nobility)

原文：有官而兼带财印者，所谓身强值三奇，尤为贵气。
When there is Officer and is accompanied by Wealth and Seal, Self is strong and it is regarded as SanQi (the three wonders), this is specially a very noble Qi.

三奇者，财官印也，只要以官隔之，使财印两不相伤，其格便大，如庚午、戊子、癸卯、丁巳，王少师命是也。
SanQi is Wealth, Officer and Seal. Officer must be in between Wealth and Seal so the two do not injure each other; this structure is much bigger, such as

Ding     Gui      Wu      Geng
Si         Mao     Zi         Wu

The chart of Grand Preceptor Wang

*Note, The Grand Preceptor, The Grand Tutor and The Grand Protector are collectively known as the Three Excellencies 三公 in ancient China. They are the highest (True first) rank (正一品) any government officer can attain.

原文：禄劫用财，须带食伤，盖月令为劫而以财作用，二物相克，必以伤食化之，始可转劫生财，如甲子、丙子、癸丑、壬辰，张都统命是也。
When Lu or Rob Wealth uses Wealth, it must carry Food or HO, as the month command is Rob Wealth and the chart uses Wealth, the two elements counter each other, thus the outputs are necessary to solve this, they transform RobWealth into Wealth. Such as

Ren     Gui       Bing      Jia
Chen    Chou     Zi         Zi

The chart of General Zhang (都统 'loosely - general' was the among highest rank (一品) in military service in Qin dynasty)

原文：至于化劫为财，与化劫为生，尤为秀气。
As for transforming RobWealth to Wealth, it transforms disaster into an opportunity, that is especially elegant Qi.

如己未、己巳、丁未、辛丑，丑与巳会，即以劫财之火为金局之财，安得不为大贵？
Such as

Xin     Ding     Ji      Ji
Chou   Wei     Si      Wei

Chou and Si combine, that turns the fire that is RobWealth into the Metal structure that is Wealth, how is it not greatly noble?


所谓化劫为财也。如高尚书命，庚子、甲申、庚子、甲申，即以劫财之金，化为生财之水，所谓化劫为生也。
For transforming Rob Wealth int Wealth, such as

Jia       Geng        Jia        Geng
Shen     Zi          Shen        Zi

The RobWealth which is metal, is being transformed into water (that engenders Wealth).
that is the chart of Secretary Gao (The Qin government had 6 departments, each department head is sort of like a secretary)

原文：禄劫用煞，必须制伏，如娄参政命，丁巳、壬子、癸卯、己未，壬合丁财以去其党煞，卯未会局以制伏是也。
RobWealth uses 7K, must be restrained, such as

Ji     Gui     Ren      Ding
Wei  Mao    Zi         Si

Ren combines away Ding (Wealth), which is protecting 7K while Mao and Wei combines to restraint 7K, the chart of high minister Lou

原文：至用煞而又逢财，本为不美，然能去煞存财，又成贵格。戊辰、癸亥、壬午、丙午，合煞存财，袁内阁命是也。
As for 7K that meets Wealth, is originally not good, but to (combine) away 7K and leaves Wealth, it becomes a noble structure.

Bing    Ren     Gui       Wu
Wu       Wu     Hai       Chen

7K is combined and Wealth is left, the chart of Cabinet minister Yuan

原文：其禄劫之格，无财官而用伤食，泄其太过，亦为秀气。
For RobWealth structure that has neither Wealth nor Officer but uses Food or HO to exhausts the over(ly strong DM), it is also considered elegant Qi

唯春木秋金，用之则贵，盖木逢火则明，金生水则灵。
Only for Wood born in Spring and Metal born in Autumn, using this is considered noble, as wood meets fire is bright, metal engenders water is soulful.

如张状元命，甲子、丙寅、甲子、丙寅，木火通明也；。
Like this guy's chart who got the first place in the imperial exam

Bing     Jia      Bing       Jia
Yin        Zi       Yin        Zi

又癸卯、庚申、庚子、庚辰，金水相涵也
and 

Geng     Geng      Geng     Gui
Chen      Zi          Shen     Mao

原文：更有禄劫而官煞竞出，必取清方为贵格。
Also, there are charts where both Officer and 7K are protruding. They (DO or 7K) have to be cleared to be regarded as noble

如一平章命，辛丑、庚寅、甲辰、乙亥、合煞留这也
Such as

Yi      Jia      Geng      Xin
Hai    Chen   Yin       Chou

7K is combined away and DO is left

；如辛亥、庚寅、甲申、丙寅，制煞留官也。

Bing     Jia      Geng     Xin
Yin      Shen     Yin       Hai

7K is being restraint and DO is saved


原文：倘或两官竞出，亦须制伏，所谓争正官不可无伤也
Or, if two DO are protruding, they must also be restrained. As in the saying 'Competing Officers must be injured'

原文：若夫用官而孤官无辅，格局更小，难于取贵，若透伤食便不破格。
If the structure uses DO and DO is without assistance (without Wealth or Seal), it becomes a small structure (low ranking), difficult to be regarded as noble, if HO or Food are protruding, it is regarded as broken structure.

然亦有官伤并透而贵者，何也？
But there are cases where DO is used and HO protruding that is noble, why?

如己酉、乙亥、壬戌、庚子，庚合乙而去伤存官，王总兵命也。
Such as

Geng     Ren     Yi      Ji
Zi           Xu     Hai     You

Geng combines away Yi to leave save Officer, the chart of General Wang (True second rank 正二品 )

原文：用财而不透伤食，便难于发端，然干头透一位而不杂，地支根多，亦可取富，但不贵耳。
Use Wealth but the outputs are not protruding, it is very difficult to be successful. If one is protruding in the HS and is not 'messy' while having many roots in the EBs, that can be regarded as wealthy but not noble.

原文：用官煞重而无制伏，运行制伏，亦可发财，但不可官煞太重，致令身危也
Use Officer or 7K but without restraint, when Luck Pillars go to restraint, one can also become wealthy, but the Officers should not be too heavy, as that endangers Self.

@eveereads

I re read your private message you told that wu is useful god.if wu is useful god why decline when see wu from wu shen lp.
If wu is good than why wu xu ap was super gpod by lp was ji you.

This chart must see bing =useful god and what hurt s bing will hurt daymaster.we speak theoretical.let s see you!

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In the Jian-Lu structure, the Proper Officer serves as the Corresponding Spirit, the Proper Seal functions as the Useful God, and the Proper Wealth, which restrains that Seal, is regarded as the Unfavorable Spirit.
For a Jian-Lu chart to take Wealth as its Useful God is, in effect, to invite its own undoing.

The difficulties you experience during Officer Luck arise because you're undergoing the necessary trials to cultivate the qualities befitting someone born under the Jian-Lu structure. Yet, relying on Peer Stars and strong roots, you have only been competing for Wealth, seeking the easier path rather than accepting the discipline required.

From the Five-Element perspective, being born in the month of Zi means you ought to refine yourself through the Metal-producing-Water cycle—cultivating learning, skill, prestige, and position. Instead, you have been behaving as though it were high summer, with Bing and Ding Fire overly dominant, leading to haste and disorderly conduct.

May I ask whether you truly understand the meaning of Gui Water having strong Bing Fire without Geng Metal?
Gui Water without Geng Metal is like a person with nothing substantial to show, calling out through Bing Fire, “Please look at me! What do you think of me?”—essentially begging for the attention of others. This is precisely the state you find yourself in now. Given that, do you truly believe it is correct to insist that the very Bing Fire, which exposes such inadequacy of yours, is your Useful God?

When a certain Luck cycle becomes difficult, it's because one lacks the capacity to shoulder the energy of that cycle. Enduring such hardship and using it as an opportunity to recognize what one has neglected becomes the very means through which one can grow.
Do you know why Geng-Zi and Xin-Chou years felt so burdensome?
It's because you were insufficiently prepared and empty within, and time itself sternly admonished you: “Stop posturing and begin filling yourself from within.”

When time offers you such lessons and you remain unaware, what use is there in debating which Luck was favorable or unfavorable?
Even if good Luck arrives, you cannot grasp it because you're preoccupied with competing for Wealth, unable to discern what is truly important, spending your hours scattering unsolicited comments across others’ forums.

[nin99]

In the Jian-Lu structure, the Proper Officer serves as the Corresponding Spirit, the Proper Seal functions as the Useful God, and the Proper Wealth, which restrains that Seal, is regarded as the Unfavorable Spirit.
For a Jian-Lu chart to take Wealth as its Useful God is, in effect, to invite its own undoing.

The difficulties you experience during Officer Luck arise because you're undergoing the necessary trials to cultivate the qualities befitting someone born under the Jian-Lu structure. Yet, relying on Peer Stars and strong roots, you have only been competing for Wealth, seeking the easier path rather than accepting the discipline required.

From the Five-Element perspective, being born in the month of Zi means you ought to refine yourself through the Metal-producing-Water cycle—cultivating learning, skill, prestige, and position. Instead, you have been behaving as though it were high summer, with Bing and Ding Fire overly dominant, leading to haste and disorderly conduct.

May I ask whether you truly understand the meaning of Gui Water having strong Bing Fire without Geng Metal?
Gui Water without Geng Metal is like a person with nothing substantial to show, calling out through Bing Fire, “Please look at me! What do you think of me?”—essentially begging for the attention of others. This is precisely the state you find yourself in now. Given that, do you truly believe it is correct to insist that the very Bing Fire, which exposes such inadequacy of yours, is your Useful God?

When a certain Luck cycle becomes difficult, it's because one lacks the capacity to shoulder the energy of that cycle. Enduring such hardship and using it as an opportunity to recognize what one has neglected becomes the very means through which one can grow.
Do you know why Geng-Zi and Xin-Chou years felt so burdensome?
It's because you were insufficiently prepared and empty within, and time itself sternly admonished you: “Stop posturing and begin filling yourself from within.”

When time offers you such lessons and you remain unaware, what use is there in debating which Luck was favorable or unfavorable?
Even if good Luck arrives, you cannot grasp it because you're preoccupied with competing for Wealth, unable to discern what is truly important, spending your hours scattering unsolicited comments across others’ forums.

1.bing is very good.why ti have geng if saw geng in the stem a d it s bad 2010 2020
2 .spending your hours scattering unsolicited comments across others’ forums.
This is not my behaivour,think you wrong person!It was vice versa ,true!
3.very disciplinate person again you are wrong.unprepared what a joke 2 medical specialization onology and clinical pharmacology...the problem arruve sfter lawsuit with my father it was better for me to study something else.it was live in prisson but in freedom never gsve the right to study or to do what I want
4.Please look at me! What do you think of me.I am not this type of person again wrong:) bevause in reality isn t this behaivour-hope we can speak openely!look at many gui daymaster without resource not geng or xin without metal this become very fampus.
Look at this chart
Gui jia wu
Chou zi wu

The lp are just officer wealth and out I know another 4 chart s will fjnd it with full 4 pillars also gui dm born in zi but witout resource:)

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@eveereads so without geng!!!!!
Viceversa very lucky that i don thave geng.
You read shen as geng element??

Look.at this chart
Bing gui geng ding
Chen chou xu si
Bank robber

Another bank robber
Gui xin ding
You hai si

Bing for gui=ding for ren
Ding ren ren ding
Wei zi yin si
You think him neet attention of others .if no geng than sure xin!what type of school are you?anywqy thank you for your time and opinion.if see geng in stem in 2020 why bad!!lp wu shen wu feed ap or geng wu from lp.
Every shen was bad
2004 being robbed by others
2016 also
2020 geng also in the stem
2010 also

Good yin wei 2015
Here saw nobmeman or mao and zi try ti broke my mao but wei in branch harm my zi.so the contradiction is remove!!!!real case from my real life!!!!!!



begging for attention is not wrong:) wherever I went I attracted attention! here I really didn't get it right with either attention or discipline:)

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In the Jian-Lu structure, the Proper Officer serves as the Corresponding Spirit, the Proper Seal functions as the Useful God, and the Proper Wealth, which restrains that Seal, is regarded as the Unfavorable Spirit.

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I have a question. How do you read Ren-Ding combination (month and year stems) in his chart?

Does it remove an element, transform into a new element or have totally different meaning?

Other than that, I won't take him seriously. Poor guy has been rummaging through the internet, sending private messages to active users, muddling over the same thing for at least 5 years. T___T

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Combine but not transform!!!!!!
Solid pillar ren zi allow to.combine but not to transform.

If
Ren ding
Yin mao ,then yes ...season support ren plus ding=jia,combine plus transform

Ren ding
Zi     Mao=combine

Ren ding
Yin mao=combine plus transform,tell you for sure!

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and the Proper Wealth, which restrains that Seal, is regarded as the Unfavorable Spirit. For a Jian-Lu chart to take Wealth as its Useful God is, in effect, to invite its own undoing.

Seles had some very low moments and humiliating losses, all of them have one thing in common: seal and wealth appear together in stems without DO/7K. 

When DO/7K appears in any stem, she can push harder for a win.

She actually performed better without seal during Bing Yin luck cycle. Still a Top 10 player, but her result was nowhere as godlike as the previous luck cycle (Yi Chou). The decline was evidently seen from her struggle to maintain fitness and ideal weight.

Her natal chart contains no wealth, so I think it helps her limit the negative influence from Bing Yin luck cycle.

Monica Seles's chart is different from nin99's in terms of the main pattern.
She's primarily Bi-Jie, with her Luck Cycles moving forward into Shishang and Cai. This means that she did not follow her role as a Jian-Lu structure, so in her case, it's unnecessary to consider her structure.
I only mentioned nin99's structure because:
1. He's visibly competing for Wealth in the Heavenly Stems, which is no-no for the Jian-Lu structure.
2. His Luck Cycles went backward, putting him on a path of Seal and Officer, the two most important elements of the structure. Thus, his life has been shaped somewhat similarly to that of a Jian-Lu. Had his Luck Cycles gone forward, the main pattern of his chart would have become Shishang-generating-Wealth and he would have pursued a business major, instead of medicine.

Seles's victory in the 1992 US Open is something I need to think about because it's a result of what she had been doing according to her chart, not an instant combination of the letters in her chart and Luck Cycle with those of the Luck of that day. Especially, Officer-generating-Seal isn't something that can be achieved instantly; it takes at least thirty years for the Officer's energy to reach the Seal. (This also coincides with your question about the Ding-Ren combination. The Stem combinations take much longer than a generation or control cycle. My teacher said it's something that at least three generations of a family must carry it on to achieve any viable result. In a person, Ding-Ren simply refers to their thought process. While Bing-Gui gathers facts and deduces a conclusion from them, Ding-Ren gathers facts based on a conclusion that they've already made. This is because Ding-Ren precedes the latter part of the Twelve Branch cycle, while Bing-Gui covers the former.)

Lastly, I think Seles's decline and fitness issues during the Bing-Yin period are due to her chart generating toward the Yi Wood through the Wood triad in the Branches. Yi Wood grows when it meets Bing Fire. Yi Wood is naturally round and soft, and when it meets Bing Fire, it inflates like rising dough. This causes weight issues, among other things. To maintain an ideal shape and weight, it needs Xin Metal combined with Ji Earth. I don't think she gained a lot of weight during that time, though, considering she was born during the cold Water peak season.

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Yes, Seles chart contains seal and hurting officer. No wealth at all.

Nin99 chart contains wealth and eating god. No seal at all.

Even if the comparison is not exactly similar, I can see how:
- Seles chart is set up to achieve the best result with Officer and Seal
- Nin99 chart prefers to work with Shi-Shang, not Officer and Seal ---> this is evident from his tendency to look for shortcuts and unwavering desire to make big profit on his own terms.
- Seal vs Wealth in stems are the worst.

In the context of mutual generation and mutual control, one should focus primarily on the Heavenly Stems, not the Branches. The effects of the Branches occur regardless of human intention or effort. This is true for the Heavenly Stems as well, since they govern the social circumstances beyond our control. But the Stems also represent one's mind and life-long aspirations, and thus have a far greater likelihood of manifesting than the Branches. That is why the Heavenly Stems are crucial when determining one's structure, for structure reflects one's social role. Conversely, the Branches in social contexts represent the people around us, not the self.

He keeps asking everyone whether to choose business or academic path in the last 5 years. Yesterday he told them about studying medicine, today is radiology, tomorrow is oncology, rinse and repeat.

I'm not sure what he's actually doing, but it's clear that his desire isn't supported by current circumstances (luck cycle) and he appears to lose touch with reality.   

The first 20 years of his luck cycles is a big red flag: Seal vs Wealth. Definitely bad for his unprepared self, leading to daddy issues and chronic depression.

Did he tell you about the drama with his rich father yet? This is how their bazi charts influence each other: https://bazi-calculator.com/?licz=1&y=1987&m=12&d=10&h=06%3A00&g=0&l=0&lon=-37.8136&y2=1949&m2=7&d2=18&h2=6%3A00&g2=0&l2=0

Nin99's Hour Pillar is Bing Chen, not Yi Mao, at least according to him.
He's probably doing okay career-wise, but not so much personally because the Gui Day Master is not supported by Geng Metal or protected by Ji Earth. Gui Water needs Geng Metal to stay pure and wise and Ji Earth to maintain its form. Without either, it disintegrates, especially when the Yang energy is strong, as it has been since 2024, and it will only get worse. Fortunately, his chart forms the Water triad, and his current Luck Cycle is Wu-Shen, which completes the Water triad and helps him maintain his sanity.

His father has an Indirect Officer structure, protected by a strong Indirect Seal against the powerful Eating God. He is a successful man and a stern father. In his eyes, his son lacks many qualities.

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His father is a very meticulous person who doesn't allow a single mistake to go unchecked because of the Yin Earth-producing-Metal cycle in the Fire peak season. He's also a very busy man, who has to shoulder almost the entire generation cycle, from Wood > Fire > Earth > Metal. He was given a son of the Water peak season to compensate his lack of Water. But as is the case with everyone who doesn't study Mingli, people take what they have for granted and belittle it, which creates a rift between those who are supposed to love each other.

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When it is intermittently controlled by Seal and meeting Direct Officer on different days, months, and years, the structure is refined, and it will reflect on her performance.

Each generation cycle has to be innate and consistent, for at least twenty to thirty years, to show any viable results. Generations and controls that come and go with luck changes don't mean much except in emotional context because, unless they're in your chart, you forget them and can't retain them. Your chart is like your body and frame; it's preserved and protected against external energy. For something to be seen, it must already be under your skin.
In my opinion, Seles was a pure powerhouse, with nothing but Bi-Jie in the Heavenly Stems and three roots in the Branches, and she focused her overflowing energy on the Hurting Officer triad, which shone during Yi Chou. To her, Yi Chou also meant the Hurting Officer breaking the existing Direct Officer and creating a new order.