Why Doesn't The Bazi Seasons Change For People Born In The Southern Hemisphere?

[TenVirtues]

What does the rotational period of these two planets have to do with predicting it's position using the Year and Month?
To know the position of Saturn and Jupiter that's honestly all you need, whether it's Vedic/Western or Chinese Astrology.
Saturn takes 2.5 years to move from a Sign and Jupiter takes 12 months. That is why the Element Yearly Stem changes every 2 years while the
Earthly Branch changes every 1 year.  Then we also take into consideration 12 Qi Phase of the Elements and we come to around 2.5 years per element.
So from the Month Year we definitely can track the position of Saturn and Jupiter. What does there revolotion periods have to do with finding their position from
the Year and Month?
Here you mention the tilt of Earth precession of equinoxes thats where we differ because you saying that the Year and Month given now is wrong.
Therefore the position of Saturn and Jupiter is already wrong from because of the precession the Earth no longer is aligning with the Constellation 2000 years ago.
Like i mention before just like the Indians the Chinese do not take the precession into consideration and use Spica instead as 0 degrees. So no matter 2000 years ago
or 4000 years from now, Spica is always 0 degrees no matter how much the Earth has tilted.
I don't think i can explain it more simple than that.

[Gmuli]

Saturn takes 2.5 years to move from a Sign and Jupiter takes 12 months.

But I posted... Ahh, anyway, lets just agree to disagree. : )

[Dao]

Hi All,

You may find some interesting informations...

Books of Fate and Popular Culture in Early China: The Daybook Manuscripts of the warring states, Qin and Han

https://books.google.fr/books?id=eoJ1DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA490&dq=books+of+fate+and+popular+culture+in+early+china&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiLl6Ce1YzgAhVozoUKHQ7oC9IQ6AEILTAA#v=onepage&q=books%20of%20fate%20and%20popular%20culture%20in%20early%20china&f=false

Best Regards

 

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[TenVirtues]

Very well said and explained by Wencang thank you Dao for sharing, couldn't of said it any better myself.

[Dao]

Very well said and explained by Wencang thank you Dao for sharing, couldn't of said it any better myself.

Yes TenVirtues! these pages with explanations by Wencang are precious...
All the best

 

[Gmuli]

Thank you Dao. It is interesting topic. Again when we do the math it doesn't make sense, though. Will give a simple example.

When the Jupiter, Moon and Sun conjunct in Zi constellation the baZi Would be:

Jia Jia Jia Jia
Zi Zi Zi Zi

Again as so much of these relation its really poetic and it seems so logical if we don't go in depth.
However it doesn't take much knowledge about the Solar Calendar to figure out that if the year is Jia/Zi the month branch Zi will always come with Bing stem...


So Jia/Zi year and Jia/Zi month can never happen in the way the calendar is calculated...

Basically the stems of Year and Day are more free to move around, while Hour is fixed to the Day Pillar, Month is Fixed to the Year pillar. : )

[Dao]

Hi Gmuli,

Yes poetic... A small obvious mistake placed in a text written by a Scholar or a Master can be a sign of humility, or a simple typo, or a call for concentration for the student ...

 

[Rapanui]

When the Jupiter, Moon and Sun conjunct in Zi constellation the baZi Would be:

Jia Jia Jia Jia
Zi Zi Zi Zi
So Jia/Zi year and Jia/Zi month can never happen in the way the calendar is calculated...

If the year begins in Zi month, this chart is possible. 

[Tientai ✝️]

@Rapanui hi ..
There are many calendars in Chinese ancient culture ...
Possibly this can be true if year starts on Daxue (abundant snow) just about 7 December....as first month Zi
....

[Gmuli]

When the Jupiter, Moon and Sun conjunct in Zi constellation the baZi Would be:

Jia Jia Jia Jia
Zi Zi Zi Zi
So Jia/Zi year and Jia/Zi month can never happen in the way the calendar is calculated...

If the year begins in Zi month, this chart is possible. 

True, true...