South vs North BaZi practical example 3 - Kylie Minogue 🎧🎧

[JLim (Darma W)]

Famous singer born in 1968 in Australia, the land down under, so the whole continent is in the Southern hemisphere. 
Which one is the chart of a world-renowned singer?

  Y       M        D       H

 Wu    Ding    Wu    Ding
Shen    Si      Xu      Si        non-inverted chart


LP 1985-1995 Yi Mao  --  got really famous here
LP 1995-2005 Jia Yin
LP 2005-2015 Gui Chou
LP 2015-2025 Ren Zi


  Y       M        D       H

 Wu    Gui     Wu    Ding
Shen   Hai     Xu      Si          inverted chart

[Gmuli]

And again I would read the inverted chart as more likely... And again I'm sure you will read the chart the other way around...  While there were some charts that seemed better without inversion now more then half of them in my view make more sense inverted... This is just one more.

But I'm aware we have different style of reading, so I don't see a point of going into that. We can post endless charts and everyone will still read it in a way that confirm their view...


H D M Y are the other way around. : )

[JLim (Darma W)]

This non-inverted is easily read as Fire and dry Earth gang controlling Shen Output.  Output represents her Wealth, and it also represents performance.

In the inverted chart, Shen-Hai gang is not weak enough to be completely controlled by Xu and Si.

H D M Y are the other way around. : )

Corrected.

[Rapanui]

This non-inverted is easily read as Fire and dry Earth gang controlling Shen Output.

Shen - as Metal is connected with "vocal".
Output - this is her job ... she is the Singer.
 

[JLim (Darma W)]

Yes RapaNui, and it's best if the Metal can be refined by Fire for a singer/musician.

It is so in the standard (non-inverted) chart, but in the inverted chart, refinement by Fire is difficult due to Hai Water clashing the Si Fire.

Ariana Grande, American singer.


Y       M        D       H
Gui    Wu     Wu    Ren
You    Wu     Yin     Xu

Fire San He combination (Wu-Yin-Xu) controling You Metal.  This example has nothing to do with South vs. North Bazi though.

[Gmuli]

refinement by Fire is difficult due to Hai Water clashing the Si Fire.

Doesn't that clash open Xu Tomb, the storage of fire ? : )
That storage that would be just a Tomb if we had 2 Si?

[JLim (Darma W)]

Xu Tomb is open all right, but there's still not enough gang to control Gui-Hai-Shen. 

  Y       M        D       H

 Wu    Gui     Wu    Ding
Shen   Hai     Xu      Si          inverted chart

[Gmuli]

All this would come to how much Fire comes from a storage. And can fire that has fallen in a tomb interact...
As far as I get it your view is that fire in her chart is controlling Shen with working god Si(with the clash).

All that is nice and good, but the way I view it Si is "in tomb" in Xu and is not controlling anything. So is all the other fire in the chart.

Combined with the idea of DM sitting on closed resource tomb and beneficial chart because that DM is using that same resource to obtain something... Can't really share that view.

Of course, if we view it with traditional style we would be even more far away from each other...

[Gmuli]

I think we should just "agree to disagree".
Few years ago when looking at the examples in the other forum it start to become very clear that for 10 people posting reading we had 10 entirely different views every time, more or less. And many of them sounded reasonable, enough.
So the idea we will fully agree on a way to read any chart seems unlikely... Also makes the whole systems very subjective. At the end it may just turn out that its all based on belief system, we tune to a specific belief and reading from there works, that would explain how can people read many charts without inversion and it could work, while at the same time there can be many masters in Africa that does invert and it still works...

Same problem for WWG. It will be easier to test, but in there we choose what site of the coins will be yin and what yang. Makes sense that our beliefs may just choose to invert or not invert the result in the same principle.

[JLim (Darma W)]

I think we should just "agree to disagree".

[Tientai ✝️]

@Gmuli .. all hi

Same problem for WWG. It will be easier to test, but in there we choose what site of the coins will be yin and what yang. Makes sense that our beliefs may just choose to invert or not invert the result in the same principle.

.. I think this area of WWG  to which one may choose is cleared out ..
There isn't any problem .. !!
.. if you reffering on coins / yin yang
There is much Taoist intelectuality for which is the correct order (and not religious inclination) that could surprise western mind ..
Chinese population and much more Taoists when judge anything use a "refined  intellect " a kind of dialectic thinking  .. they don't forsake anything still use what is close to the level of thinking ..
to help a little  ...!!! .. they are thinking a "dual band " .. a joke just for laughing 😃😃😃😄😄
They use both aspects and turn at round contemplating on these .. after this "rotation" the circle is breaking by their intention to do something on solving this dual aspect... we in west call this as inspiration...
After this centrifugal breaking the mind is facing with new challenges .. this is the way of Taoist thinkers .. !!
Life isn't a continuous rotation on a cycle but a spiral that is progressive  ..
Western "one way thinking " has much road ahead to reach this level.
Most of us are rotating all the time on an issue and disappointed when not make a breaking .. !!

1 + 1 I don't be sure if equal 2 .. perhaps you think I make a mistake  ... !!
......

[Gmuli]

They use both aspects and turn at round contemplating on these .. after this "rotation" the circle is breaking by their intention to do something on solving this dual aspect... we in west call this as inspiration...

: )

[Gmuli]

They use both aspects and turn at round contemplating on these .. after this "rotation" the circle is breaking by their intention to do something on solving this dual aspect... we in west call this as inspiration...

I'm thinking about this lately.
Can you elaborate more on it?
Also if you know a book that goes into that would be good. Thank you.  : )

[Tientai ✝️]

I'm thinking about this lately.
Can you elaborate more on it?
Also if you know a book that goes into that would be good. Thank you.  : )

This is the essence of chinese way of thinking .. very different to westerners even much different to Buddhism also'...!!!
... I will create a new Post to have discussion on these subjects...!
Best regards ..
tientai