What is wrong with these cats?!

[Tientai ✝️]

...And finally the trash was North from the apartment.

That is ensure once more that Yongshen is Zi water wife /wealth hidden on 5th self line ..
如用神为水爻, 方位为北.
if Yongshen is in water line, then the direction is North...
..

[Gmuli]

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[Tientai ✝️]

Yes .. normally  you have right.. focus is made on Cat == ( Yongshen )
But Alternatively from a point of view when the 5th self line possess apparently a cat dying and also a hidden Woman  .. that is influenced by this adverse situation then this line has something to do with bad feelings of  " near dead  cat" == white tiger .
I chose Zi wife as Yongshen and cat as Yuanshen.. due to better explain many other combinations...!!
...

[Gmuli]

It's because you missed out on some of the rules for Void/Empty. Which would have altered the reading.

1. Void cannot support others. Neither can it be supported others.
A. Unless it exists within the Month (as it is impossible for it to be Void and exist within the Day).
B. It is being Clashed by the Day whilst being supported by a third party (Month, Moving Line that can Support, etc)

Within your reading, whilst there is support within the day. It would have been the same as a Botanist trying to save a patient. The Botanist is trained and recosnises the concepts needed to save the patient. But in the end, it simply isn't viable.

Within the interactions, there was simply no support helping the animal. You had the animal (Focus) not able to receive help (Void). You had a moving line (Wu, 4th line) that attacked (and capable of doing harm, because it had the power of the Month behind it) the Focus. This is not a sign of fortune and safety for the Focus.

Takes a lot of time to test some of these things, as it needs clear enough situation and hexagram. But at this point I very much agree, this is what happened, thank you.

[JLim (Darma W)]

1. Void cannot support others. Neither can it be supported [by] others.
A. Unless it exists within the Month (as it is impossible for it to be Void and exist within the Day).
B. It is being Clashed by the Day whilst being supported by a third party (Month, Moving Line that can Support, etc)

Point B is a sub-topic that my master had taught me, and it's called 冲空而起.  The Chinese term may differ, but the idea is pretty much the same.

[JLim (Darma W)]

I have created a new topic that arose out of this hexagram: Liu Yao interaction: does combination prevent movement?]

[Tientai ✝️]

...And finally the trash was North from the apartment.

That is ensure once more that Yongshen is Zi water wife /wealth hidden on 5th self line ..
如用神为水爻, 方位为北.
if Yongshen is in water line, then the direction is North...
..

I don't understand clearly .. is correct that the trash indeed was North from apartment  ?                                                                           

[Gmuli]

...And finally the trash was North from the apartment.

That is ensure once more that Yongshen is Zi water wife /wealth hidden on 5th self line ..
如用神为水爻, 方位为北.
if Yongshen is in water line, then the direction is North...
..

I don't understand clearly .. is correct that the trash indeed was North from apartment  ?                                                                             

North, yea.
I have been using the 24 mountains from Feng Shui with the branches of Liu Yao and it works very well imo and in there Zi would be north as well. : )

[JLim (Darma W)]

Gmuli, could you state the dates of
1) hexagram raising
2) when the owner discovered the death of the cat
The year is not needed, because this one is not a long-term type of analysis.

[Gmuli]

Gmuli, could you state the dates of
1) hexagram raising
2) when the owner discovered the death of the cat
The year is not needed, because this one is not a long-term type of analysis.

1. I don't understand why the date and time keeps coming up...  All that is once in the selectors, another time in text in different place on the site, third time on the string that is copy/pasted.

Lets see how we can read it from the screenshot at the start of the topic. : )


Now, this numbers in the lower right corner are the date and time of asking.
6 / 11 / 2018, means that the date was eleventh of the month of June in the year of 2018.
While 6:24 PM, means that this was 6 hours and 24 minutes after 12, so that could also be seen as 18:24 in some countries and places.

In more recent ways of the website that exists in the string as well. That would mean:
1,0,0,0,0,0,0,6,6,2020-05-18,15:52
Is question asked on 18 May 2020 at 15:52 time.

And that exists once more as a red texts or black in some of the views, depending who is using what.


2. Well... That has a few steps. First she heard that her cat is missing. I assume that would be same day as the question was asked, although I'm not sure. But its very likely was the same day.
Then she learned from the person that was staying at her apartment while she was gone, that a neighbor has found a cat that may have died and throw it in the trash. She told us like 2-3 days later, I'm not sure if she knew when the dialog with the neighbor was and we don't know when he found that cat as well. We also don't know its the same cat, but considering everything seems the case.

So up to everyone to figure out when exactly we can say she "found her cat is dead", if we consider it as a emotional "moving on/closure" thing, I think she waited a few days more before she considered that it was her cat that was thrown out and it is already gone.

Precise dates for most of these aren't know, as all is going on through her friend as well and we don't know when she talked with the neighbor or when she found the cat was missing. However, from what I remember a good assumption is that everyone found out the cat is not there same day of asking and the rest of the situation is happening the following 2 days.

I don't think that should matter much, though.
This are details, the importance between a "live and found" cat and a "dead and thrown out" cat is so vast, that there have to be something very important going on, or to be missing in the rules that are used.
For me that was what The Monk posted
(and that would be:

1. Void cannot support others. Neither can it be supported others.

(I'm assuming "by" would be missing here, as otherwise no idea what it would mean)

I'm sure for people using different rules can have many other explanations, form symbolic stars, to the line being so strong that the cat couldn't handle it. However, in any case, it has to be something very important, as missing that factor would lead to very, very strong difference in a prediction.

[JLim (Darma W)]

Gmuli,

1. Void cannot support others. Neither can it be supported others.
A. Unless it exists within the Month (as it is impossible for it to be Void and exist within the Day).
B. It is being Clashed by the Day whilst being supported by a third party (Month, Moving Line that can Support, etc)

Within your reading, whilst there is support within the day. It would have been the same as a Botanist trying to save a patient. The Botanist is trained and recognises the concepts needed to save the patient. But in the end, it simply isn't viable

Actually, according to TheMonk, there is still support within the day, but then in the end it's not sufficient.  Let's enumerate one by one the dynamics of the Self line Shen Metal:
i) It is overcome by Month Wu Horse
ii) It is overcome by Moving Line Wu Horse
iii) It is supported by Day
In total, this is two minus vs. one plus, so the cat still "loses".  It's not sufficient and viable.

So I agree with your original post (Reply #0) in this topic:

The cat Line is weak in the Month, but very strong in the day from the support of the people around. So should probably be fine.

The only thing you need to add into that analysis is my point ii above, which turns the situation around for the cat.

By the way, sorry for missing the date of hexagram raising at the bottom.

[Gmuli]

Ohhh, this is becoming very interesting!
Coz I see where the problem is now its here:

1. Void cannot support others. Neither can it be supported others.

So what does :

Neither can it be supported others.

mean : )

Now, logically I agree it can mean anything, really, however I have a reason why I assume its:

Neither can it be supported by others.

And the reason is in the following sentence:

Within your reading, whilst there is support within the day. It would have been the same as a Botanist trying to save a patient. The Botanist is trained and recosnises the concepts needed to save the patient. But in the end, it simply isn't viable.

The way I understand this is that the Day can produce the line, however the line is in void, so it doesn't really work.
I do agree there is a way to read it where we can say the Day can produce the line, yet that isn't enough.

I think we cna't go more into that, without input from The Monk.
So lets ask. : )

@The-Monk can you clarify that point, can the Day in this case help produce the line, or it can't?
Thanks.

[Tientai ✝️]

Alternatively  .. adding my view on this pet .!!

1. Woman that want an answer by Gmuli's divination is Yongshen Zi water fushen. .5th Self line
2. Original Shen  (Yuanshen) is indeed child Shen Metal 5th self Feishen line.. as correctly @The-Monk declared.
3. All above is a kind of feelings of the Woman plus something terrible on the part of the cat...!!
She was hoping this pet would be alive until someone informed her about the cat's death == zi  combine with Chou 3rd line.
4. Other 2nd line is the place where found the cat by someone with Special knowledge on pets of an officer that ensure about this death..!! === Vermilion Bird. .
........

There is not any problem with Wu -4th moving line Coz this is a moving line that combines itself  (Wu -- Wei ). . So Wu fire not affect Zi hidden 5th line ..
.....

I have posted later on the below quotation. ..

That is ensure once more that Yongshen is Zi water wife /wealth hidden on 5th self line ..
如用神为水爻, 方位为北.
if Yongshen is in water line, then the direction is North...

@Gmuli, hi
I wonder if this is real direction North that comes with Yongshen Zi water Fushen ..!!
If direction is slightly north east then I can refer another possibility ...!! ... Shishen is on 3rd line Chou  .. hence the direction (north east)..
With this possibility only can I agree that Yongshen is Shen metal 5th line  ..as Jlim declared ... what is your observation "with 24 mountains of Feng shui" on this direction ? (Slight Northeast ?)..

[Gmuli]

Shen would be southwest but...

I'm getting confused now...
Lets say The Monk didn't mean that Day can't support a void line, we have this:

It's because you missed out on some of the rules for Void/Empty. Which would have altered the reading.

What is the missed rule that would alter the meaning ?

[Tientai ✝️]

I mean if Yongshen is Shen 5th line then there are 2 rules :
1. Yongshen direction - Ask if direction southwest -Shen metal  ( I was answered but missed the target..!! )
2. Gua Shen / Shi Shen - ask if direction is on where is Shi Shen  (on this case is 3rd line Chou and direction is Northeast )
...