DA LIU REN: the gardener

[tanpai]

When will I hear from my gardener?
公历：2019年9月21日19时
节气：9月23日17时0分秋分
干支：己亥 癸酉 辛酉 戊戌 国际易经网　www.iqing.net线上排盘系统
旬空：甲寅旬子丑空　　　　月将：八月巳将

[JLim (Darma W)]

Unfortunately I have not learned Da Liu Ren.  Hopefully another member can provide some analysis. 

[Milla]

I know Da Liu Ren a little bit.
If the last message reads like a grave, then ultimately nothing happens.
Here it is Chou.

[The-Monk]

I know Da Liu Ren a little bit.
If the last message reads like a grave, then ultimately nothing happens.
Here it is Chou.

A grave is not necessarily a bad thing. However, of note is that the grave (chou) here is Void/Empty, represents a Parent (so, communications), is weak and suffering a Penalty. Ultimately showing what you have said just now; that there is no point to asking this other than to satisfy their own curiosity (Starting Message being strong, the Shadow Class of the person asking whilst strong also is Void/Empty, whilst it is represented by the Phoenix, so any talk is cheap so to speak), even though the asker appears to want to find them badly (askers Class seeks the others Class aspects).

However, this describes the end result. What about the start? The start is promising, and likely possible at any point now since it is being supported by timing if not already (as the Message and Class is supporting this). It's just that throughout this story, there is a promising start, but very little action afterwards.

[JLim (Darma W)]

Nice that we can see some Da Liu Ren analyses in the forum!

tanpai, it might be a good idea for you to tell more about the case in this topic.  Who is the gardener, what would you like him to do, when was the last time your heard from him ...

[tanpai]

课体:  重审， 三奇， 斩关,  四绝。
Course body: re-examination, three odd,
 Shaoguan, four absolutely./?/

家宅: 人有破耗， 宅有动摇。
Home: People have a loss. The house has shaken.

1/What is Guiren's role in this formula?

2 / Which spirit -at the time of questioning is Heavenly Virtue and Month Virtue?
3 / Body of reading the KUN gua required Double check / Re-examining / Careful examination ...
  „ Who  is the gardener, what would you like him to do, when was the last time your heard from him ... „

He's a 20-year-old man who has helped me a lot in maintaining the garden in recent years. Now he drives a truck to many countries, sometimes he comes home to the old home.
I talked to her a month ago over the phone and she promised to do the work she needed.

[tanpai]

Hi Monk
(askers Class seeks the others Class aspects). What does it mean? Pls write it to me ...

[The-Monk]

课体:  重审， 三奇， 斩关,  四绝。
Course body: re-examination, three odd,
 Shaoguan, four absolutely./?/

家宅: 人有破耗， 宅有动摇。
Home: People have a loss. The house has shaken.

I am confused here. You appear to be able to read Chinese and have at least some English, but this quoted bit above is neither a statement or question, or is ambiguous enough to be both. So I am unsure what it is you want to know.

1/What is Guiren's role in this formula?

What formula?
There are several, but the most prominent one I am assuming you are talking about the Guiren formula that works out where each Deity/Spirit sits on which Branch on the Earth Plate. And that is its purpose. Unless you mean another.

2 / Which spirit -at the time of questioning is Heavenly Virtue and Month Virtue?

This will depend on which schools Heavenly Virtue and Month Virtue table you are using. There are two that I know of.

3 / Body of reading the KUN gua required Double check / Re-examining / Careful examination ...

I am afraid I do not know what this part comes from. I do not recognise the term Kun or Gua within Da Liu Ren. So I am unable to help here.

Hi Monk
(askers Class seeks the others Class aspects). What does it mean? Pls write it to me ...

Do not be concerned. This is a label and terminology used within Da Liu Ren. Although the terminologies and labels may not be exactly the same, as there is not set standard for them outside of Chinese, it should be close enough that anyone with an entry level of knowledge of Da Liu Ren should be able to follow, such as @Milla . It has nothing specific to do with you or your question. Merely an indicator for students to know the reasons why I have said what I did.

[tanpai]

Hi Monk:
I can find in Yi Ding Da Liu ren Zi Zi  the 720 divinatory combinations-standard solutions- but yet very difficult  to understand. I have  no excellent Chinese language level.
Yi Ding Liu Ren Zhi Zhi, Volume  l-ll.  ISBN 7-5443-o231-8/ B.15.
课体:  重审， 三奇， 斩关,  四绝。
Course body: re-examination, three odd,
 Shaoguan, four absolutely./?/.
，This sentence applies to the example above, including the „course body”, which in this case is „re- examination” and is denoted by Khun gua.
„斩关,  四绝”-well this could not be solved.
Guiren: For the chart above too, Guiren is a master of all spirits, but it depends on location ,what the above example means?… this is my question!
     Which spirit -at the time of questioning is Heavenly Virtue and Month Virtue?
I don't have any of these tables, my question is the same again ...

[The-Monk]

Hi Monk:
I can find in Yi Ding Da Liu ren Zi Zi  the 720 divinatory combinations-standard solutions- but yet very difficult  to understand. I have  no excellent Chinese language level.
Yi Ding Liu Ren Zhi Zhi, Volume  l-ll.  ISBN 7-5443-o231-8/ B.15.
课体:  重审， 三奇， 斩关,  四绝。

Looking at all that together now, it appears its a look up book. Or two books used in conjunction for the purpose of quick look ups for anyone who has had some training in Da Liu Ren. But I am unsure if it teaches a person how to read a Da Liu Ren chart at this time.

Course body: re-examination, three odd,
 Shaoguan, four absolutely./?/.
，This sentence applies to the example above, including the „course body”, which in this case is „re- examination” and is denoted by Khun gua.
„斩关,  四绝”-well this could not be solved.

Those are labels for features found within the that particular Da Liu Ren chart so to speak. If you are reading them "as is", it will not make sense. They mean that a Da Liu Ren person needs to take notice of within that Da Liu Ren chart, but that is all; A reminder. Much like how a Lou Pan is simply a glorified Compass with all the details etched onto them to make it easier for people. On its own, it is quite meaningless.

Guiren: For the chart above too, Guiren is a master of all spirits, but it depends on location ,what the above example means?… this is my question!

I am not sure what more there needs to be explained: The Guiren formula tells you where Guiren can be found, and from there, you layout the rest of the spirits/deities (which has a set pattern: Gui Ren, Tang She, Zhu Jerk, Liu He, Ngau Chen, Ching Lung, Tin Xung, Ba Fu, Tai Serng, Yuen Mo, Tai Yin, Tin Hao) after it.

Which spirit -at the time of questioning is Heavenly Virtue and Month Virtue?
I don't have any of these tables, my question is the same again ...

Are you saying that there are no tables of any kind in either the first or second book, or that singular book? (I am aware there are two versions of this book in current modern circulation, one version is singular only, the other has two books, but I do not know the contents within them). No instructions on how things are done? If so, you need a different book (or, set of books).

Since you asked on 癸酉 month with 八月巳将 then one such set of what you are looking for is Xu as Heaven Virtue and Shen as Month Virtue.

[tanpai]

I ask about money, when does the postman bring it?
2019年 9月 24日　16时18分
己亥年　癸酉月　甲子日　壬申时
甲子旬   戌亥空　　    月将：辰
-Three harmony combo.  Wu-Yin Xu … which is fire-like.
-Hour punishes day stem.
- The earth   xu and chen  branch is affected  by the upper  and  lower  wood,  so the cloud jacket.
-Another example where Khun's hexagram signal is important again (Image, Judgment)
so 课体 :重审，Course body:  re-investigate /  reconside a Judgment .

[tanpai]

Hi Monk:
„Those are labels for features found within the that particular Da Liu Ren chart so to speak".
A volume deals with chart analysis and rules, I don't know where your  prejudice comes from..

„No instructions on how things are done?
If so, you need a different book (or, set of books).”
I have no intention of buying new and new books, ha- ha- ha!
The specific question needs to be analyzed, because if theory is divorced from reality, it is worth nothing!

„Which spirit -at the time of questioning is Heavenly Virtue and Month Virtue?
     I don't have any of these tables, my question is the same again ..”
Surely there are members who can help  me   on such a question and without buying a dozen books. 

[The-Monk]

Hi Monk:
„Those are labels for features found within the that particular Da Liu Ren chart so to speak".
A volume deals with chart analysis and rules, I don't know where your  prejudice comes from..

Where have I been prejudiced?

„No instructions on how things are done?
If so, you need a different book (or, set of books).”
I have no intention of buying new and new books, ha- ha- ha!
The specific question needs to be analyzed, because if theory is divorced from reality, it is worth nothing!

If there are instructions in the book, why are you not reading them to understand them and instead asking on a forum?

„Which spirit -at the time of questioning is Heavenly Virtue and Month Virtue?
     I don't have any of these tables, my question is the same again ..”
Surely there are members who can help  me   on such a question and without buying a dozen books. 

I have answered this already, which you have conveniently left out here.

:: edited in ::

Since you asked on 癸酉 month with 八月巳将 then one such set of what you are looking for is Xu as Heaven Virtue and Shen as Month Virtue.

[tanpai]

Hi Monk:
„Where have I been prejudiced?”
.Please re-read the above answers that you have written.
„If there are instructions in the book, why are you not reading them to understand them and instead asking on a forum?”
. I don't know a person,- even a master! who has absolute vision on the chart.
This applies to any divination  system.  Why don't you write an example chart?
A multitude of methods of analysis color the art of divination.
I am here because I want to learn, improve my knowledge.
 Why are you here?
„I have answered this already, which you have conveniently left out here.”
I'm interested in the method,  the tables you refer to,  because there is no book in which everything can be found.

[The-Monk]

Hi Monk:
„Where have I been prejudiced?”
.Please re-read the above answers that you have written.

Interesting. Since my replies are prejudiced, I will refrain from posting then. I hope you get what you are looking for.