Stable (solid) and unstable pillars (Mangpai)

[JLim (Darma W)]

Here is some fundamental theory in Mangpai, very useful to learn:

Solid          Unstable       Solid          Unstable

甲甲甲          甲甲甲          己己己          己己己
寅辰子          申戌午          巳未丑          亥酉卯

乙乙乙          乙乙乙          庚庚             庚庚庚庚
亥卯未          巳酉丑          申辰             子午寅戌

丙丙丙          丙丙丙          辛辛             辛辛辛辛
寅午戌          子申辰          丑酉             巳亥未卯

丁丁丁          丁丁丁          壬壬壬          壬壬壬
巳卯未          亥丑酉          申子辰          戌午寅

戊戊戊          戊戊戊          癸癸癸          癸癸癸
戌午辰          子申寅          亥酉丑          巳未卯

[johnyqi]

Hi Jlim, I'm surprised to see 庚 子 as a stable pillar, wouldnt metal be exhausted by producing water?

Also I wonder about 辛 巳, but considering that Snake has Yang Metal I guess that could work. Just I think if the chart is too hot that this Yang Metal won't be able to provide much support.

Did you change your mind on these two pillars because I remember getting different info from you, few years ago?

[JLim (Darma W)]

Hi Jlim, I'm surprised to see 庚 子 as a stable pillar, wouldnt metal be exhausted by producing water?

You're right, thank you  .  I have corrected the table.  It was an editing issue.  After copying that here, I had not readjusted the spacing correctly.

However, the table in the course manual and the library section of the Mangpai course had been correct.

Also I wonder about 辛 巳, but considering that Snake has Yang Metal I guess that could work. Just I think if the chart is too hot that this Yang Metal won't be able to provide much support.

The reason is that Yang Metal in Si is seen as weak to provide support for Xin.

Did you change your mind on these two pillars because I remember getting different info from you, few years ago?

Short answer is no.

[johnyqi]

ah great, and you are welcome :-)

[tyc]

Yeah, remember seeing this chart @info website.  Still trying to get a better understanding & using the infor.  I know it could be used as a strength of theDM.  Yet, there might be other usage that I have yet figure out.  Thanks for sharing everyone.

[johnyqi]

I actually did quite a lot of research on this topic, that's why I noticed immediately the error in @JLim 's post 

For example, if you have unstable Cai, it doesn't represent wealth, but artistic and communication abilities.

I'm putting together a page with more info about it. I call these unstable stems a Supertalents, because they provide to people some unusual, and often very extrovert qualities. Please bear in mind that this is work in progress and descriptions are just very raw ideas of what each unstable pillar represents.

Maybe @JLim can throw few corrections ;-)

https://talenthero.io/supertalents/

[tyc]

I'm going to check them out later.  I'll also throw in a curve ball at you.  U probably focus u thoughts on a single pillar.  What if two pillars were conjoin.  R they now weak or strong & will u interpretation / meaning change?

[johnyqi]

well yes, one has to always look the entire chart and how useful that unstable stem is. I'm actually working on an algorithm to do just that. It's tricky but doable.

[NewMan]

Here is some fundamental theory in Mangpai, very useful to learn:

Solid          Unstable       Solid          Unstable

甲甲甲          甲甲甲          己己己          己己己
寅辰子          申戌午          巳未丑          亥酉卯

乙乙乙          乙乙乙          庚庚             庚庚庚庚
亥卯未          巳酉丑          申辰             子午寅戌

丙丙丙          丙丙丙          辛辛             辛辛辛辛
寅午戌          子申辰          丑酉             巳亥未卯

丁丁丁          丁丁丁          壬壬壬          壬壬壬
巳卯未          亥丑酉          申子辰          戌午寅

戊戊戊          戊戊戊          癸癸癸          癸癸癸
戌午辰          子申寅          亥酉丑          巳未卯

Great info. How do we start using them for bazi reading?

[tyc]

Well, here r my thoughts: to measure wealth.  To measure each pillar reactions to other pillars within the chart.  To measure reactions to LP pillar & AP.

[NewMan]

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[tyc]

A weak DM that isn't afraid of self & others.  HS level, best my moment might be when LP & AP is also weak/unstable.  Sorry, not too familiar with EB analysis.

[tyc]

Here r my other guesses:

Gangs are Metal & Water versus Earth, Wood & Fire.  Still Metal not rooted has to work extra hard to produce Metal.

It seems only Wood (Mao) can do work in EB by going into Wei.  EB Wei + Mao + Hai = wood structure & not favorable to him.

Thus, stable pillars with unfavorable elements might have further negative impact to the chart owner.

[johnyqi]

The metal stem supports water, water stems support wood, and this person has too much of both, so not very positive. If on top of that Rat he would have a Fire, for example, it would act as a stabilizer, which is much more positive.

[NewMan]

The metal stem supports water, water stems support wood, and this person has too much of both, so not very positive. If on top of that Rat he would have a Fire, for example, it would act as a stabilizer, which is much more positive.

He got a wood tomb at his hour. Do you think he can open that treasure chest and be rich some time in future?