Strength Calculations

[Voytek]

i'm curious what ren said about calculations in bazi-calculator.

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[Voytek]

ren, while you're waiting for the others to upgrade their system, please take a look at the attachment if you're interested in a bandage solution.

Nice work, thanks for sharing, I think you could upgrade it a little, depending on which BaZi school you want to use, I think:
- qi phase multipliers (shifting qi depending on season) should be handled,
- different HHS proportions should be used (instead of 1.00 for every HHS),
- most masters also use "ours"/"theirs" band multipliers and excludes DM which is treated as a reference point.
Well, it's a long story and really every master has his own method, but for simple calculations the above are still necessary

[tyc]

Thanks, I have thought about it.  In the end, I just want to keep things simple.  Besides only 5elements (ignoring polarity), why bother to go into specific classification / calculation. 

If Ren does decide to use the file, I'm interested in how @ren might use this information.

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[Voytek]

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[tyc]

The information provide is certainly much more details than what I did in my Excel sheet (my objective was to be simple). 

However, here is my thinking.  When presenting the information in a pie chart, removing the numbers (%weight) & using identical data (meaning pillars right now), then regardless how you treat the weights of AP/LP or both, the results appearance would look very similar.  Graphical presentation shouldn't be off by too much because the sum of the weight will always be 1 or 100%.

When unsure of the weight for LP / Ap, then use average or equal weight of the two.  Also, the chart represents specific time or moment, thus time weight is ignore.

What does other think about this approach?

[Rapanui]

In traditional BaZi the strengthness of "DM gang" is important to calculate which "gang" ("my gang" or "other gang") must be strengthen. Each method of calculating the strengthness is create by masters to help their students (by mathematics) to find which "gang" is stronger.
But each master says that this is "HELP" and the accurate of this "HELP" is not 100%.
 
There is interesting method of calculating the strength of DM created by Peter Leung. PL calculates not only the strength of any element but also which is the strength of element with its support (+the strength of supporting element) and its draining (-the strength of output). And each month of birth has multipliers for 10 stems of course.
 
If you want to know I prefer the simpliest and the oldest method:

[tyc]

Thanks for the information.  I really have no interest in the math part.  Rather I was hoping Ren or someone explain to me how to control / produce an element in the physical world.  For example, let say natal chart & AP / LP has excess metal.  Ok, how does one control metal using physical self: do we drink more water, wear red color shirts (fire) or perform heavy lifting exercises?  Now, metal is weak, should the person work in the farm, move dirt or go to the beach?

Since I'm not a master, guess I'm allow to come up with ideas that is not the norm.  Personally, I prefer every thing to be equally weighted.  Although less accurate, but for estimation, arithmetic calculation is much easily to work with.  If we look into history, I don't think Chinese invented the % concept.

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[Charles]

Hi @Voytek,

am just curious as you mentioned that you remove the % off the pie chart, is this the same pie chart on the ten gods as i can see the % on the calculator though.

sorry in advance if my question is silly, if i missed something in my reading

cheers

[Voytek]

am just curious as you mentioned that you remove the % off the pie chart, is this the same pie chart on the ten gods as i can see the % on the calculator though.

I was considering removing it, but after all, many users are using it this way and find it useful. So the option stays. There are many BaZi schools, many of them calculate DM strength and 10 gods strength.
What is important to rememeber is that any calculations are only approximation, it not possible to count energy precisely We are dealing with metaphysics.
But since it is useful for students of many BaZi schools out there, let's leave it this way.