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Bazi / Re: Solutions and the Five Arts
« on: April 07, 2023, 07:01:20 PM »
I don’t think we will learn anything more about WWG  further in the future. Many members here are already staying here for a very long time and probably noticed who is offering WWG. Members here write pros and cons about different master. What we all can see before the arrival of Master Alfred is already very limited as we just can see some basic WWG is offering, that makes us hungry for more, then Master Alfred brought WWG to us that bring up into another level. But then, he become quiet for a long time. People is complaining about that and I was wondering why he wasn’t that active anymore until I spoke with him. I though he was busy with something new for us. But it seems like he is about to leave English speaking learners behind. I’m not sure, but I feel like  he seems disappointing with the people who trying to learn WWG here. He still very active in Chinese speaking area, his students in China is growing more and more, but he just stop thing here. From what my limited understanding, if I don’t get him wrong, his intention is not to teach those who has a very limited knowledge about WWG or not knowing Chinese history or classical text backgrounds. These group of people get very easy in misunderstandings his teaching intention and method. People who try to learn from him only take a partly course that a member shared a link here before. I think should be something in Udemy. That platform is not a proper learning platform. It is only bits and pieces content from the overall beginner level. And those who follow him, we should more or less know that he has something much more bigger than beginners level. 4 or 5 levels in total to complete WWG. If we make it into math, beginner level is a content that contain only 20% of WWG. And the bits from Udemy, probably split it into 3% or 5%? It is a very superficial of WWG. So how do people that only learn very superficial can understand how WWG works? This remind me of a coke and Pepsi competition. Pepsi has a sip test, and everyone started to love Pepsi with just a sip. But actually, just a sip doesn’t represent a whole. That is why in the end. Pepsi still not able to convince their customers. But people just like to make a conclusion with “just a sip”. I hope I get the message wrong. Otherwise, bye bye WWG. I still remember his last word very clear before hang up the phone. “Sometimes when people don’t deserve nice thing. We can just leave. Not a problem.” What a shame. People just don’t understand they have missed out their perfect shot. so copy whatever we can before master Alfred deletes all his works.

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Bazi / Re: Solutions and the Five Arts
« on: April 06, 2023, 03:33:28 PM »
Come on guys… CM can only provide a method to change a person. Not the tool itself. It depends on how the practitioners use this tool. And I only see one or two who knows how to use this. Most of them, nah… don’t want to talk about it.

No matter how we see using bazi or WWG or yijing for life changing, the most important part is, even feng shui tool that can change a person destiny a lot more that mentioned, they are many “teachers” giving out courses. I don’t think they even qualified to become a genuine practitioner, not to mentioned about giving people lessons. How many real cases they have handle and being trace the results? But ironically, people still learn from them, especially those who does earn some fame.

I mean why bother about licensed when someone out there already teaches how to use yijing in TCM or acupuncture? Does this guy have any licensed about medical line? Or does this guy even a TCM doctor? Or let’s not that demand, does this guy learn from his family who is or was a TCM doctor? In China, they are many powerful TCM who are not licensed but learn from family recipes. I think they did not even met this lowest qualification. And I think they may just have read a lot of books and started conducting classes. Don’t tell me using yijing on TCM or acupuncture is not changing a person life? It can hurt a person a lot, when it is misused. So do the person teaching this TCM body healing things or the person teaching feng shui that can make people life a lot worse licensed? Compare to those “teacher”, using bazi or WWG is nothing. Especially people who doesn’t understand how to use it as a tool to change people life. Knowing how to read Bazi, WWG or yijing is not knowing how to change a person’s life. Just like knowing how to drive doesn’t mean a person know how to handle the open wheel car.

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Liu Yao Case Studies / Re: Will my home be vandalized tonight?
« on: December 06, 2022, 04:39:58 PM »
Hello, maybe I can share some of my experiences here.
First of all, this hexagram is a static hexagram, the answer is already very obvious. Nothing going to happen.

For the setting wise, I think people here like Raymond and Gmuli already mentioned the problems.

I like to share something from here regarding the accuracy that Sacrar asked.
The accuracy from Alfred school is designed to be 100%. I mean the logic and theory we learn from Alfred. Of course, he has never disclosed this in his books or on his website. We learn this from his level two course. Although the accuracy has already designed to be high accuracy, but in practical, it still has some uncontrollable factors, like chaotic hexagram that Alfred has mentioned in his book and also his website. In his later level, we learned that actually not only chaotic hexagram, but also many other factors. That is why we will never understand the system if we never get ourself into it. I have learned to overcome this in his 3 and level 4. What I mean here is, if we only read his first book, that only covers not more than 10% of his skill. From what I have learned so much from him, I can see that many of us that were trying to be self-made reader is actually something in a very entry-level, perhaps only 5% of his skill. That is why in my humble opinion, if we think we can master WWG by only reading his book that only covers 10% of WWG, or any books. We are of course will never understand how Alfred do the reading. Imagine we only understand how to ride a bicycle and expect we can understand how to pilot a flight. This is one of the biggest issues we faced and we have to confess ourself. Otherwise we will not improve. This is what I have gained after going through with Alfred. We really take WWG too easy, and not willing to invest too much on it, this is really a big problem. To be honest, before completing all his courses, I never thought that WWG is that in-depth. What makes me feel like we are so small is that one day, Alfred told me that, to him, WWG is still only 50%, he thinks that he still has many yet to discover. Yet, the response in the market already think that WWG is something very limited and that's it, already maximum. That is why when I said 10% from Alfred's skill is in fact already exceeds what we can search and learn from the Internet.

These are no my only personal view here, but also some of his students. I have spoken to some of them before and I know some of his students who are also in this forum. But why didn't they give suggestions on the reading. I think Gmuli has asked this question before, something like why don't share the information? Is not that not willing to share, but many times, we have been struggling hundred of hours just to get ourself to understand how to use the skills. It may take a few hours talk, not written format, in order to understand one simple thing. From this point, you can understand that how can we be expected to give an explanation clearly to anyone here with just a few paragraphs of words? I finally understand why Alfred and other students not really giving solid answers here. Is not that we don't want to, but it is just not possible to do so.

To be honest, WWG is nothing simple until and under Alfred's guidance. What I can say is, we have underrated WWG too much. Alfred himself can't even agree that he has fully mastered WWG. This also explains that his second book does not tell the relationship method in very detail that Gmuli doubt. From my learning path, I face the same problem like Gmuli does, until I proceed to level 3. I realized that the relationship method written in his second book is only a teaser to get us enter his level 3. Allow me to explain more here, in his second book, gain and lost method secrets were revealed in a few sentences, but in his course, it is really more than that, A lot more! Just like Sacrar stuck here with reading his level 1 book. From what I see here is, Sacrar is trying to use level 1 knowledge and intent to unlock level 2 treasure. This is not going to be possible. I mean we all play video games here. When we played video games, we know we need up level keys to unlock up level treasure. And for Gmuli, you get the secret scroll, but you have never yet to meet the hermit. You need to speak with Alfred! IDK, maybe you have already speak to him. Up until here, it is obvious that WWG is underrated and it has many things that link to higher level that it just doesnt make sense for us to explain all of them clearly over here. The only way to understand more is to attend his class and always speak to Alfred, take his mind and become yours. He is willing to share with us as long as we all have basic knowledge. I mean we can't expect pilot talk too much about how to pilot a plane with small kids like us that have no idea about plane.

Overall, great experience with his method, and I feel it is absolutely entering into something I cannot get anywhere. Accuracy wise, level 1 book is not designed for that. Level 1 is designed to completely understand the rules of WWG. Before we finish level 2, we can say that we barely, learned how to apply the rules. Maybe some genius out that are exceptions for this, idk. But for me, it is normal we didn't get the accuracy at this stage. Anyway, dont' get me wrong. WWG is not that difficult, really! Just that we underrated WWG and this make us can't move further.

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FREE Divination Request / Re: Which team will win?
« on: June 03, 2022, 05:55:16 PM »
I have paid my thousands for seminars some decades ago. Were different ones, focused on channeling, prana tubes, lightbodies and rays and all sorts of stuff that has little place here. What I learned to do there I have never charged for... Yet I have no disappointment in the friends that charged crazy amounts for it... We all make our choices. Same here, feel free to do what you love to do, just be sure why you are doing it and what wolf are you feeding.

well, I think you started to off track. am just answering your initial complaint about lacking information, which said that not really accessible in some of those master's books. You have to focus back on the topic. Why are things not as what your expectation? It is because you expect to get them easily by not understanding how the CM game is playing. My short answer is, because you see things as want to get them by not paying any good price to them. You have to understand the good price is from their view. Not your own view. You may think that couple of thousand is big money, but to them. Is nothing. They make money by just snapping their finger. So, they don't even care about this money. This is how things work. Not only CM, but the entire world, the economy, the government. Gosh... I'm getting far now. Free things or small price things don't work, if it works, it must have cost us something big, which we will have to pay back later. And most probably, it is another scam...

I agreed. Although I m interested to know  but than I think its not necessary coz I have been thru that journey too maybe not as much as you. More or less the same journey the same scam. Even tho you speak the truth/about CM people will not believe you coz you are a nobody in the CM society. Over 90 percent is learning/doing the same, why are your system different they will silently think. Tend to follow the herd. The only way to come to sense is as you mention spend money be scam.
exactly! I'm nobody here, that is why nobody going to listen. Lol. Doesn't matter. Who cares. This is how the game going to play. So, we are out, and just sitting there and watching.  8) 8) 8)
If I can help, I'll help.  ;)

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FREE Divination Request / Re: Which team will win?
« on: June 03, 2022, 03:07:52 PM »
Students can't know what is studied inside of them, as again - closed off. So they end up paying, then seeing there is nothing inside, then paying again etc.
And all is scam. If you have working system, using the same framework is supporting that scam, why would you do that I do not know... Because not working systems have to do it like this, no way around that. One of the reasons western people still stay away from that part of the Five Arts, we are very familiar with scams.

Lol, too complicated to explain with one reply here. I really love to explain them, but I don't think people here are interested to know. Anyway, if you want to understand why, why not get yourself to go through everything like all of us who pay a lot and were scammed? Then after spending uncountable money, look back at your original thought. See if you still can stand as what you were. Perhaps you will understand why. Cheers :)

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FREE Divination Request / Re: Which team will win?
« on: June 03, 2022, 12:00:39 PM »

They do, that is true. But QMDj does not have the same Setting.
Map is the same for everyone with some variations(Chai Bu/Zhi Run etc.) but they are constant in their differences as well.


Sorry no offence, but in short, I think there are still sides that you have yet to discover. And probably, will never ever get to see them in your entire life. Mostly what I see is, you access many of them for free. Even it is paid, you just support them by purchasing their books. To be honest, a true treasure does not appear in any books. It has many reasons why it has to be this way, you will only understand why if you are an author, and if you are marketer, a business person, and a truly skilled metaphysician. If you are none of them, outsider will only have wrong perception about a book. Especially in CM industry. The book has to be written in that way. Also, not every author are truly skilled metaphysician. The world famous CM author is in fact, copy directly from ancient book. How do I know it? Because my friends have some work to partner with him and due to no conflict of industries, this consultant admits that very big part of his book is actually a copy work. There are many story behind that people never see it.

In short, those feng shui and date selection you mentioned, I know which system you are talking about, is in fact, also having a very big problem. Unfortunately, people in the West still believe in the system. Why, because it is accesible firstly. But this is actually some trap there and people never aware of it. Secondly, many true skilled feng shui master in the East know the flaw of these system. Just that those skilled masters are already very busy with their consulting life, and not have much time to educate the market. Most important, not their business when people do not learn well. we can't really blame them. Just like what you mentioned that the info from master AK is not enough. It is not that not enough, it is he does not have the time. Sometimes he takes a week to reply my message. He got a big group student to attend in China every month, 50-100 per month and the fee is about $700US for beginner. I attend that course before, it was so crowded, and what I can say is, what he taught in the West is already more than what he taught the Chinese in the East. People in the West should actually appreciate more. We actually paid about half of the price but got double the content compared to learning in China. But too bad, a good teacher has come to the West, and people do not appreciate his work. So if you are AK, do you still want to spend your time at this place? Nobody is willing to spend anything that is not creating value for them. With this amount of students (maybe more as I am sure that he has more places to teach) He has to, and can only look after his paid student. Anyway, the Chinese learn lesser than us, but in the end, many of them get great success because they follow WWG until the end.

WWG is very deep knowledge. If people expect to master or understand at all with just entering beginner level. Sorry, then they can leave, this is not a place for them. I mean they can actually leave the whole CM. CM is not possible to be fully grasped at the entering level. None of them can be clearly explained with one or two level enrolment, not to mention those who only learn from books. Some reputable school make it accessible to beginners. That is because for marketing and for building branding/school reputation purposes. Try to pay them more to go to the end. I guarantee, you will find their system actually collapse in the end. Because what they taught at the beginning does not make sense with their advanced application. This is not my personal opinion, but also from the other classmates. All of us end up feeling like it is a scam. Things don't work when we reach and complete the final step. CM is very complicated. People expect to master them by paying little price for this. This is naive thinking and it will never happen. I have come through all of this, I pay a lot to learn, I think I have at least 30 teachers, at this moment, that are official, I mean paying. And there are only 3 that really hold the real thing. I am considered lucky, many people can't even manage to get one real teacher in their entire life. So what can they do after spending so much money? They make course and let the scam continue. Do you see this? So, the unlucky will get transferred. That is why I can differentiate what is a good teacher. Instructors in the West or in the East, many of them are the same. They just market their course without asking, are my course real? It is difficult to get good instructor. Ironically, when good teacher is there, people stop and doubt them. What a shame. Anyway, it will take a long time for me to clarify all this. People who do not go behind the scene will never ever understand what happened. It is absolutely fine that you still don't get my point here. If I can help to clarify more, I will. But if lacking knowledge or experience in that, I can't help even I explain more here. If really want to learn them, pay for a good teacher, and spend time on true knowledge, rather than spending lifetime and still not understanding the framework. Otherwise, no matter what input it is, it will always be bits and pieces. Cheers.


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FREE Divination Request / Re: Which team will win?
« on: June 02, 2022, 06:08:33 PM »
Team b restrict team A. All the moving lines is helping team b. So team b will win. May I know what is the result?

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FREE Divination Request / Re: Which team will win?
« on: June 02, 2022, 06:02:49 PM »
WWG seems vital how we set up the question and stuff, while in QMDJ its same map for everyone, so you can't go wrong there.
In WWG there is a chance the answer may not be there at all, depending how you set it up. The answer will always be in the QMDj map of the local time the game is played.


Sorry, but I think this is not a right claim. The background of QMDJ has no different with WWG. Different system, different structure, yes. But deciphering thinking wise, there are all still fall into the same category, divination. The resources for qmdj in English is more than WWG, but that doesn’t mean those resources are correct or completed in concept. Less resources, we get difficulty in access them. But more resources, it may looks better to any of us, in fact, the more wrong knowledge people are learning.

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Liu Yao Case Studies / Re: Covid test
« on: January 17, 2022, 05:42:47 PM »
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Why is the setting flawed? At the time of casting my brother was already sick. The question was to confirm whether it would be covid-19 confirmed by PCR test. Two days after I asked, my brother took the PCR test and it was positive.
 what is a gain hexagram?

I suspect that one of the Parents may reflect the "positive", either Zi or Hai, since L2 Hai moves secretly as a result of the branch of the day. Or maybe Zi is the positive and Hai is the immunity that favours the sibling (generating relationship). I thought about that before I cast, so it would be part of the setting one of the parents as immunity....

It would make sense to "win an officer" when the officer is sitting in the self line, but is sitting in the Other line. Wouldn't it make more sense for the officer to be in the self line so as to leave no room for doubt? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That is a very big misunderstanding that “ I thought about that before I cast, so it would be part of the setting one….” What you thought is not necessary to be followed if it is a flawed thinking. For example, I want to cook Chinese food. So I think to use soy sauce. Then I buy Japanese’s soy sauce and think that I already knew how to make the food. In fact, Chinese doesn’t use Japanese soy sauce. This is the flawed that you assume that you are right. as a result, the Chinese food is not really a Chinese food. And you think that you would already complete a Chinese food. So, with the seeking advice from universe. When “he” knows you are not right, how can he tell you that you are using wrong soy sauce when the universe can’t tell by words. So, your assumption make the whole situation in a different. Possibly chaotic hexagram. This is actually super common in I Ching text as well where reader not even realize that they have chaotic I Ching hexagram. (Text based)

In sickness question, matter element is officer, not sibling and it has nothing to do with parent that is immunity. Parent exhaust officer. You gotta think. How immunity can exhausted officer, which is the sickness in this case? So, you cannot explain in the way you think or assume you are right. In five element cycle, sickness being exhausted (parent) is not immune.

That is why as I said, when the logic is not making sense, this make the universe difficult to tell answer through hexagram. That is why this hexagram is already wrong at the first place. Imagine your grandchild ask you, “grandpa, should we let the chicken (pointing to rooster) lay an egg and eat the little chicken tomorrow.” Your grand child assume that every chicken can lay an egg, and he expected that the little chick will become immediately a big chicken that is ready to cook. This is all completely make no sense. And you will never give a direct answer to your grandchild. Or worst, you ignore them like how universe ignore you.

I think when it is wrong. It must has a reason. I see many learners suspect what is in the hexagram often end up in a wrong suspect. Most of the time, the suspect is not even closed to reality.

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Liu Yao Case Studies / Re: Was he Retrenched 6/25/21?
« on: January 04, 2022, 04:58:48 AM »
May I know what was the result?

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Liu Yao Case Studies / Re: Covid test
« on: January 04, 2022, 04:58:12 AM »
Let me try answering this. First of all, your setting is probably in flawed. It makes the reading become difficult. If this was cast by me and if I read with the way how I will set. It means No by the time of casting, the officer line did not react with the self line. However, it is not 100%. It may be still infected. Because it shows gain hexagram type and the asset line is moving to generate the officer line. Anyway, what is the result?

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Liu Yao / Re: Proper setting (Yong Shen)
« on: January 04, 2022, 04:48:57 AM »

If index indicate the fact that thing will come or not to fruition , why is it necessary to have the matter element ?

Imagine someone ask about something related to wealth or a potential girlfriend

if the hexagram move and turn to be god (self on wealth line, object line turn into children line ) but the index (that is calculated according the energy level according to the date and month ) show that both are below zero ,  how do you interpret it then ?

Matter element is a must. without matter element, we will be losing focus. the index is the extend of the question you ask. One of the three keys of divination. As in your question asked, when we ask about wealth. self on asset or whatever good images. When the index below zero, it means not really that good. Everything has extension. When we say someone is rich, offspring line or asset line moves means they are rich. but how rich? below zero degree means rich that is not that rich. it is a system that entry to quantification of prediction. This index will improve the traditional ways of fortune telling. So, if you don't have the matter element. what index will you need to refer to? So, both needs to exist at the same time.

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Liu Yao Case Studies / Re: Covid test
« on: December 24, 2021, 05:02:55 PM »
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So I wonder if the procedure of setting a frame of reference before casting and then interpreting it exactly as you have set it up can sometimes go wrong. I don't know why it can fail, like everything I suppose there are exceptions. Perhaps the unconscious content that is in your mind (with archetypal content with more divergent/creative type thinking) is more important than the frame of reference you set up, which is elaborated with logical/cartesian type thinking.

If it fails reading with the setting. It only has one reason. That is the reader doesn't understand well about the hexagram principle. For example, a driver (reader) set GPS (hexagram) before departure. the driver thought that there is only one route to the destination. (reader imagine that he/she knows well about the route) When the driver drives. There are basically 2 scenarios. One is everything goes with the plan. So, GPS shows the right path. (meaning, it works well when the hexagram result has no accident condition). Secondly, there is an accident somewhere and the car has to re-route. But the GPS was programmed to only go for one route. (lack of understanding about hexagram setting) At this time, the driver will get stuck and will claim that GPS is useless. Eventually, the driver plans to drive with his intuition. (reader rather goes with reading without setting). But the driver never understand that it is actually the GPS was not set in an intelligent way. The GPS suppose to be set to cope with multiple situations. That is why settings fail for people who don't understand well about WWG. This is not my idea, but from what I learned with Master AK. Many brilliant concepts will never be understood if we just read from his book. To use WWG professionally, it actually needed a very strong analytical mind. That is why we need to be trained. (Actually not only applicable to WWG).

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Liu Yao Case Studies / Re: Outlook for marriage in the coming year
« on: November 19, 2021, 03:37:14 AM »
Totally agree with what gmuli said. but just let me try although always a good idea not to go without a proper setting. I think this will not have any divorcing. sister in law is object line (AK's second book refer to other line mean something else). So, better to use object line to avoid confusion. The self line and object line does not show any significant damage. In fact, I suspect self line is hitting his wife or hurting his wife physically. or not treating his wife good if his wife does not find any injury mark. There are some problems with the self line. it has officer line, serpent, blade, hiding asset line. check combo hexagram in the end.

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Liu Yao / Re: Proper setting (Yong Shen)
« on: October 02, 2021, 07:26:41 PM »
Thanks for the kind response. Setting is actually a very broad idea and it meant to be flexible, yet, it still has rules to follow. The rules is written in AK book. https://www.amazon.com/dp/9671938701
Which AK called the hexagram principle. We follow the rules in this hexagram principle to do the setting.

“Setting” is a unique concept from AK. I've learned with few masters before AK. And none of any masters I've met mentioned anything close to this idea. So, it won't be a surprise that puppy love and jack Chiu don't understand this concept.

As explained, “Setting” works with proper rules so that it can be flexible. So, it can be considered as a skill. The skill is to learn not to set something that will break the rules.

Overall, setting need to set with logical rules. For example, if we want to check about income, it makes no sense to set sibling as income. This kind of setting has break the rules and it will not work. But when we ask about partnership business. Sibling can mean partner and expenses. At this time, the setting has to be logically set should it mean expenses or partnership?

AK’s idea is actually very profound and the content inside his book is probably only 30% or lesser comparing to the actual content of his course. That is why many having difficulty in learning his method when the course is not taken. Many not written in his book. His idea is already beyond many current liu yao concepts. I don't mean to promote his course. I receive no commission from him. But that is actually how things work. Just sharing.

Hope my two cents contributes some direction of learning.

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