Hidden Lines

[Tientai ✝️]

Yes you are right Jlim  .. but neither fushen enter feishen Chen tomb  ..                                                                                                                                                                                           
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[JLim (Darma W)]

I personally have a lot of doubts in classic texts.
We all have probably read bazi classics like 子平真诠评注 or 滴天髓 or other translations and the forum wouldn't be based on "mangpai blindman schools" if we thought everything in there works exactly as its presented . : )

I agree with you.  I too have a lot of doubts, and use them only as reference since people like to refer to them.  Why did I post an example from 增删卜易 Zeng Shan Bu Yi?  Because that's one that I can find for the purpose of discussing Hidden Spirit entombed in Flying Spirit.  I do have one example from my client, but in that case it's not the main Yong Shen and it's meant for date selection.

Now that you mention it, I do not believe nearly all of those four ways that the Hidden Spirit can come out.  I quoted them because those four are being discussed here.

In that sense I ignore examples form classic texts usually,no idea who wrote them or how carefully they followed the events after the question to be sure the outcome will fit to what they said. Only thing we know is that they were wrote hundreds of years ago, how good were the people with the system back then I would not know.

Exactly! Having said that, we can still gain quite some knowledge from those texts.  The difficulty lies in which portions we can use, and which portions we cannot.  The least that they did was bringing divination with Six Lines into practice well into the contemporary world.

[Tientai ✝️]

Yes Gmuli and Jlim  .. I agree the most of it ..
I think many trials and corrections of errors ocured in the past history of wen wang gua ...
Wild Cranes Book is a typical example of clearing out many mistakes on written Hexagrams from the past and how isthe correct interpretation until then ..!!
Still many laws (principles) are open in discussion .. only our experience will make a mark (or quotation) on what prinsiple occurs very well and is acceptable or not.

Insisting on some laws (if fushen come out .. etc.) is how some of us has worked on this way by some Hexagram s...
The last point and not least is the Resault of divination .. the final judgment.. (.. if someone is correct then the way he follows is correct )..
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[JLim (Darma W)]

Fei Shen is a Tomb of Fu Shen example from the classics 《增删卜易》Zeng Shan Bu Yi

http://www.ydygfs.com/a/liuyaoyuce/2018/0723/2147.html

Zeng Shan Bu Yi is one of the books by Wild Crane 野鹤老人, and it's not clear who his real name is.  Wild Crane is a nick name, just like JLim, but my real name is clear 

[Tientai ✝️]

 Wow .. ☺☺☺
But such a lot of work !! ?
So many books from one person ?..
Perhaps was a team of well educated persons ..who knows ..?!!
Nothing is clear even my Nick name too . .. 😊😊😊😀😀😀
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[Gmuli]

 Wow .. ☺☺☺
But such a lot of work !! ?
So many books from one person ?..
Perhaps was a team of well educated persons ..who knows ..?!!
Nothing is clear even my Nick name too . .. 😊😊😊😀😀😀
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Maybe there is unspoken agreement going on through the ages... When someone think they have perfected the rules well enough for the current period they can add another book from that name with what they know.

When someone in the forums becomes flawless with the rules may start encouraging them to write a modern wild crane book... Its a good way to leave a trace in history and add another step to something that may be a nice tradition. If they don't know Chinese would be also a fun way to make the tradition more global, as the next series of the book may come in the English speaking world instead...

[Tientai ✝️]

Hey Gmuli...
Well said all this ... need great effort to try all this ...!!
I try to finish wild cranes Oldman s book but every time something happen and interrupt my translation ..!!
We must work as a team (would be the best) but there are so many obstacles for it ..!!
Different persons , different opinions , .....
Anyway never is so late ...
Tt.

[Tientai ✝️]

 One more thing ...
As I know high level Chinese mentality doesn't allow leaking theories or spiritual sciences to the west ...
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[Gmuli]

One more thing ...
As I know high level Chinese mentality doesn't allow leaking theories or spiritual sciences to the west ...
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That is step along the way.
Most serious western orders were the same, they were so closed off, even a few sentences of their teachings to the outside world was suppose to bring them so many curses almost no one dared to do it(and their curses aren't like regular people curses, they knew what they were doing).

Along the way people came that figured out that is silly, humanity have to develop as a whole and they presented the information to the world.
Their fate turned out exactly as the curse in the orders go, yet we still respect them and what they did today, and since then for many decades all this info is open to the world.

There are people in Chinese metaphysics doing the same(Alex for example) , give it a century or two, as things go much, much slower there, but it will eventually come out or disapear.

At the end of the day the needs of humanity will prevail on factionalism. Its just the way it is.
We may not be alive to see it ,though, as that stuff takes time...

[Gmuli]

There is another thing, though...
The worthy information will always be in the open at some point, that is the principle.
One of the reasons, even though I studied a lot of metaphysical systems and I'm still learning more then just the Five Arts at the same time, there was only 2 seminars I ever actually went physically for and that was because all was just work with the lightbodies, so no way to do it from some distance.

Everything that is worth knowing will always be in the open or finds its way to reach us, that was always the principle. So if practitioners in China consider the highest level spiritual sciences of China important to keep away from the west - that means we don't need it to work with the systems in the most beneficial way for us.

Everything we would need, we would know, that is how it all works, always. : )
Everything someone is putting effort to prevent us from knowing won't actually help us in the long run. Always.

[Tientai ✝️]

Everything that is worth knowing will always be in the open or finds its way to reach us, that was always the principle. So if practitioners in China consider the highest level spiritual sciences of China important to keep away from the west - that means we don't need it to work with the systems in the most beneficial way for us.

Everything we would need, we would know, that is how it all works, always. :
Everything someone is putting effort to prevent us from knowing won't actually help us in the long run. Always.

Everything you said I agree ..
I faced with much arrogancy and suspicion on some courses searching CM too...
Anyway time is much promising I hope ...
Thanks
Tt.

[Sacrar]

I am in doubt, can a hidden line that comes out of the hidden mode be considered an Active Line? Jack Chiu includes the invisible lines within the chapter of Active Lines, and when it comes out of the hidden mode he talks about "becoming effective" and "to impose effects" on other lines. But I don't know, it's a bit out of common sense, since the hidden lines don't change but they come out of the occult mode, flying as it is often said.

More than an active line it seems to be a special line that can behave or look like as an active line. Active Lines are lines at their yin or yang peak, but invisible lines are not, so it is rare for them to be considered active lines. Weird...

[Tientai ✝️]

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[JLim (Darma W)]

Tientai, how can Fei Shen (flying god) be released?

[Tientai ✝️]

Dear @JLim  ..hi ..

There is a table of Cases that Fu Shen can released or not ...
Generally many authors are agree that generally Fei Shen is little superior in strength than Fu Shen...


Later on I will give more informations ...
Best regards
Tt.