The meaning of Parents (父�) in a love relationship

[Sacrar]

In numerous queries related to love relationships, parents appear, either involved in a line of change or in the line of Other. I have not found literature in Liu Yao that deals with this particular aspect. Parents is defined primarily as the parents of those involved, but it seems obvious that this is not the case in this type of questions or inquiries.

In Bazi it is said that Parents correspond with:
- Resources / potential
- Order and organization
- Concerns / fears
- What is already established / existing / settings / preset
- A result
- somewhat complex
- external support
- ¿karma/destination?


In Liu Yao the most obvious, considering that Official is the Yong Shen, for female consultants, would be the Xie Shen, the entity that wears down / exhausting to Official, then something that wears down Yong Shen.

Beyond this what do you think it means Parents? could it mean the stability of the relationship? marriage?

As an example look a recent consultation from a woman asking for a long term perspective on her current relationship with a man.


Parents in this hexagram appears as Other line and also is line changing in 6th place.

[Sacrar]

In this consultation, a woman asked about a previous relationship that had ended and wanted to start over.

She asked, "What can I expect from him?


Parents appears as the resulting moving line and hidden.

[tanpai]

Who threw the coins?

[Sacrar]

Who threw the coins?

Consultant by himself, who asks questions. Why?

[tanpai]

Subject and Object  empty, we don't value this question.
Probably the woman's question is testing, that is not current
circumstance for man and woman.

[Gmuli]

Puppylove used Parents as communication. Then Child as happiness in the relationship.
Seems to work.
If the consultant made the question we need to know on what line is she. Asset line is self, so she may be on self, yet there may be many reasons she would be on others, sibling or other lines... So it becomes complex to read with the present info.

I can recommend Puppylove topics about this, when it comes to relationship we have more examples there and the pattern given seems to work very well.

[Tientai ✝️]

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[Gmuli]

Well... I will try, I'm much better for people I know personally, rarely as easy through forums, but just to show some outline how it works for me. This is if she is on Asset / Self line.

Another woman on line 6, so the person asking may not know that is part of the situation.
Officer for the guy.
Other line for the relationship.

The other woman is storage of Fire, fire is Child(happiness), also the empty relationship line. Meaning he sees chance for happiness with another woman(doesn't currently have it, as no combination).

The surrounding(people around them) are currently weakening her and they will start supporting him and judge her actively.
Sibling > Officer.
Any happiness left in the relation around her(connected to this question) will be lost as well.

Summary. No hope there the way its going. And seems difficult to change stuff, currently(always possible, however).
Just my way of reading it and only valid if she is on Self.

[Tientai ✝️]

@Gmuli  .. hI
.. for my part am sure self line is asker (woman).
Lower  trigram is kun earth  and changed trigram is shun wind .. both of them are female trigrams.
She trying to find a solution  .. hence the moving lines on lower trigrams  ..
Is fruitless due to Fan Yin .. she hurts herself to insist with this  relationship  ..  (clash and hurt of moving lines )
.. that way I see this case ..!!

[tanpai]

„Woman wants to be married with him but he is not ready for it ..?
@ Sacrar, Tientai, this interests me, ask Sacrar about that woman
 whether  that  question is active or not.  If not, he was the epitome of WWG

[Tientai ✝️]

@Gmuli  .. hI
.. for my part am sure self line is asker (woman).
Lower  trigram is kun earth  and changed trigram is shun wind .. both of them are female trigrams.
She trying to find a solution  .. hence the moving lines on lower trigrams  ..
Is fruitless due to Fan Yin .. she hurts herself to insist with this  relationship  ..  (clash and hurt of moving lines )
.. that way I see this case ..!!

Wanting to add something more ...
By this quick analysis .. this case seems just like  "building a backbone of a corpus "
Next step is to fathom deep if is needed .. but we aren't professionals (Profesional Diviners have face to face with their clients .. so can deepen relatively much easier to give many info .)

That's wy many times I don't go further on analysis .. still anyone can do .. and many times successfully. ..
..

[JLim (Darma W)]

Who threw the coins?

Consultant by himself, who asks questions. Why?

I don't understand your answer.  Do you mean that a consultant threw the coins for this female querent?

And was this the first divination that she requested on this topic?

What are the characters after "Parents" in your subject line? I can help correct the Subject line so that it's more legible.

[tanpai]

@JLim, I'm asking who threw the coins, that female inquirer or Sacrar?
This is not indifferent to  assessment. And nobody answered what the situation was
when the O and S lines are empty.

[Gmuli]

@JLim, I'm asking who threw the coins, that female inquirer or Sacrar?
This is not indifferent to  assessment. And nobody answered what the situation was
when the O and S lines are empty.

I had some very clear cases when one of the lines was empty in the other forum. And the other party view them as distant and thought the relationship was falling apart. Yet it wasn't, when the line was out of void all got good again and it was very clear to see coz she called him half an hour before the day when the void ends and he didnt respond. Then he called her half hour after the day got out of void. 

So one line in void means one is distant at times.
When both lines are void it means both are distant, logically.

However, in this case I wouldn't go with "when both voids are full it will turn around" as there are reasons to think they are just far from each other. May have contact in some way when the void is full, but from there to relationship it seems to far. : )

[Sacrar]

Who threw the coins?

Consultant by himself, who asks questions. Why?

I don't understand your answer.  Do you mean that a consultant threw the coins for this female querent?

By consultant I mean person who consults to the I Ching (and throws coins), either male or female. In this case she is a consultant, a woman.

And was this the first divination that she requested on this topic?

Do you mean the first hexagram or the second? in any case I don't know if there were more questions prior to these...

What are the characters after "Parents" in your subject line? I can help correct the Subject line so that it's more legible.

Are the Chinese characters to refer to Parents, six relatives (父�). But, I don't know what happens when You log out of the forum they it is seen as distorted. You have to be logged into the forum to see it without the distortion of the ascii code.