But I still don't grasp the meaning of clashing a tomb vs clashing a storage.

Tomb, Storage, Graveyard, all are the same. The context used will change somewhat.

Generally, an element gets entombed when it appears with its tomb / storage.
The earth tomb is said to “Get” or “Possess” the entombed element and its image / action in the chart.

A tomb is closed when it meets a Liu He – six combination. The contents of the tomb are in “Storage” and are not available.
A tomb is opened by a clash, harm, or punishment. The contents of the tomb become available.

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rich sucffesful.bussines woman

bing yin wood ren.    ji
xu.   mao        shen. .si

another case pavel durov,he s money in chou or metal tomb or storage this ie for you @Ragdoll  tomb=storage!same think!chou is  fully clash and control.by xu fire tomb and strong robwealth pillars bing wu.

bing ding jia jia
wu.  chou xu zi

A tomb is consider open or make the big when is clash=full control!!

Quote from: nin99 on December 02, 2025, 02:51:30 PM

no one speaks in contradiction with you! any opinion I have argued. rob wealth or ren cannot steal 2 ding s just like shen lp- shen cannot destroy 2 si! this year was the year of the fire snake-it went excellently for me! unexpectedly well-after so many disastrous years! that is also my fault because I was too obedient and obedient I used my intuition what mind I have and how much I worked - I certainly wouldn't have ended up in a desperate situation! that's what I need if I only listened to what I was told! my fault!

wish you all the best @Ragdoll

Of course you do, you contradict me and you contradict others when you tell us that we're completely wrong in our posts, and you try to impose your own point of view about what happened for you and unsolicited comments on other topics started by other people, except that it's not Bazi Mingli, it's obvious. That's also why @eveereads doesn't want to come back on this forum and discuss with you.

From my experience with my brother, who has Ji earth in the heavenly stems with a Jia Daymaster and a Peer in his HS, one Peer and Robwealth can steal money when wealth is revealed in the HS without being combined/removed/clashed by another stronger heavenly stem, and I know that he has lost a lot of money in his wealth luck.

It's the same for a branch that combines, destroys or clashes with wealth can cause money to be lost, particularly in Bazi charts of sibling rivalry, such as that of Tori Spelling, yours, and my brother's, which are glaring examples of how wealth is detrimental to this type of Bazi chart. I am not the one saying this; Professor Lily Chung and Jerry King also discuss it most eloquently in their books.

I already had this experience of losing money in 2023, but it was less serious than for you because I had the Si-You combination in my bazi, which reduced the violence of the clash between Gui Mao and Ding You, and also because You was in my earthly branches and Gui in my hour, clashed my Rob Wealth, and I still had regular income even though it had decreased.

Think about everything @eveereads  has told you on this topic, and she's right: you're not ready to learn Bazi Mingli or Mangpai. Have a safe journey.

@Ragdoll so you know, in case you didn't know. 10 years is a lot for a lp? in 10 years even if the favorable luck is very good there will be 3 to 4 very bad years. again if a lp has unfavorable luck 10 years will be 3 to 4 good years.

what school of thought do you represent?

@Ragdoll ok
to be what you want to be!

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Quote from: Ragdoll on November 29, 2025, 09:03:51 PM

 

And my partner has a lot of water, which I need to eliminate my fire competitors, and remain loyal to me.

In fact, we are in the same situation as Grace Kelly, who had the half metal combination You Si in the branches of her day and year pillars, which eliminates the wood competitors of her husband Rainier of Monaco, who was Jia Chen. And Rainier of Monaco had a lot of fire in his Bazi chart ( born in Summer Season ), to ward off Grace Kelly's Metal competitors. 

Thanks! I think I got the answer (for myself). When I look at Prince Rainier chart, I suddenly remember about Ellen DeGeneres chart: https://bazi-calculator.com/?licz=1&n=Degeneres%2C+Ellen&y=1958&m=1&d=26&h=03%3A30&g=-6&l=-90.09&s=1&src=1&rr=C

I think Ellen's chart helps me understand your chart quicker because it can also form different structures. Her foundation (month branch) is made of one thing, but her stems use another thing.

Her chart structure is originally Mutual Killing-Seal (Chou-You combo), but her stems activate "Output Generating Wealth" which becomes the dominant structure when supported by hour and day branches alongside the luck cycles.

This structure did great until it entered Geng Shen (Seal) luck cycle. When Seal appears in stem, her existing Output Generating Wealth structure is no longer effective. As a result, she canceled her long-running show due to scandals and now exiled by entertainment industry.

Honestly, it's not that bad. Despite losing her massive popularity, she still retains massive wealth, avoided expensive lawsuit and having a peaceful, quiet life. But I don't think she can make a comeback as a comedian. She must adapt, try something else during Seal luck cycle.

Her chart structure is still able to function well as "Hurting Officer Controlled by Seal" because her Ding fire is restrained by Gui water when positioned side-to-side. I mean, Seal can take over and do its job without much fighting from Wealth.

Back to your chart, you have an Officer controlling Rob Wealth in stems. I get it why you choose a Jia wood daymaster for partnership. You need Seal to protect the Officer when it's time to meet Hurting Officer and prevent combination with Eating God. 

Seal is more effective than Wealth because the Officer can be assertive and use it as a weapon to subdue Output (a weapon for Rob Wealth). 

Gui Si, Ren Chen, Xin Mao and Geng Yin luck cycles should be fine. You should beware of Ji Chou, where both Officer and Hurting Officer are equally powerful.

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@coldpillow

In fact, in hindsight, I reread Jin Peh's books about the themes that contain Sibling Rivalry Fire and he said that the beneficial elements for my chart are water, earth and fire, and not wood and metal for the first half of my life with the year, month and day, except when my bazi becomes dominant fire in the horse and dog years + horse luck when wood is favourable to me first with fire and earth, metal and water are last which explains why the years 2004 and 2005 were good with the wood heavenly stems of the Monkey and the Rooster, the same for the years 2010 and 2011 which were good, with the Metal Tiger and the Metal Rabbit which combined with the Wood Horse to produce fire to control metal.

And I remember that the year 2012 of the Water Dragon (Ren Chen) and the Water Snake (Gui Si) in 2013 which contained metal and water in a period when I was a dominant fire with the combination of my two Bing Yin with Jia Wu luck, were very difficult years for me because of my partner like 2014 and 2015, with with another woman who tried to take my partner from me without success. And Jin Peh said in the second half of life which starts around 40-45 years old, with hour, day and month, my Bazi chart follow the wealth with beneficial elements like 1) metal 2) earth 3) water, and detrimental elements like wood and fire.

I think that the year 2015 is the turning point where I go from beneficial fire to fire that is not beneficial to me, where I go from sibling rivalry to a dominant fire chart in Jia Horse luck cycle, and then a follow the wealth and officer. I think I actually fall into the category of variable Bazi, which adapts, as in the case of Ellen Degeneres that you mentioned.

As for the Year of the Earth Rat in 2008, it was good at the beginning with the earth stem and water branch. And that year was wounded by Yi Wei,which turned a very good year into a bad one. As for the year of Earth Ox, in 2009, it was supposed to be good for me but the clash of Yi Wei luck with Ji Ox ruined everything, which turned a "good year" into a bad year.

@smsek said that below :

•   Complicated 2022 (Ren Yin - Water Tiger) & 2023 (Gui Mao - Water Rabbit)

    ◦   These years had Water on top (good!) but very strong Wood (Yin, Mao) below (bad!). The Water was weak and got absorbed/transformed by the overwhelming Wood, which then fed your already strong Fire. Result: The promised opportunities (Water) didn't materialize as expected and instead turned into more stress and work (Wood feeding Fire)

I was under pressure in those years in 2022 and 2023 because of 2 bad colleagues and I had lost my job in 2023 due to an unjustified defamation with the water that made the seal stronger, before quickly finding another more permanent one in the administration in 2024 and 2025 where the seal was controlled by the metal.

@coldpillow

Gui Si, Ren Chen, Xin Mao and Geng Yin luck cycles should be fine. You should beware of Ji Chou, where both Officer and Hurting Officer are equally powerful.

Now that I'm probably in the second part of my life which starts around 40-45 years old, Ji Chou's period will certainly be less worse given what Jin Peh says in his explanations above.

Back to your chart, you have an Officer controlling Rob Wealth in stems. I get it why you choose a Jia wood daymaster for partnership. You need Seal to protect the Officer when it's time to meet Hurting Officer and prevent combination with Eating God. 

Seal is more effective than Wealth because the Officer can be assertive and use it as a weapon to subdue Output (a weapon for Rob Wealth). 

Officer controlling Rob Wealth in stems, is it good for me in fact to keep competitors and difficulties away from me?

Thank you for these discussions, we always learn from others in Bazi.

no one speaks in contradiction with you! any opinion I have argued. rob wealth or ren cannot steal 2 ding s just like shen lp- shen cannot destroy 2 si! this year was the year of the fire snake-it went excellently for me! unexpectedly well-after so many disastrous years! that is also my fault because I was too obedient and obedient I used my intuition what mind I have and how much I worked - I certainly wouldn't have ended up in a desperate situation! that's what I need if I only listened to what I was told! my fault!

wish you all the best @Ragdoll

Of course you do, you contradict me and you contradict others when you tell us that we're completely wrong in our posts, and you try to impose your own point of view about what happened for you and unsolicited comments on other topics started by other people, except that it's not Bazi Mingli, it's obvious. That's also why @eveereads doesn't want to come back on this forum and discuss with you.

From my experience with my brother, who has Ji earth in the heavenly stems with a Jia Daymaster and a Peer in his HS, one Peer and Robwealth can steal money when wealth is revealed in the HS without being combined/removed/clashed by another stronger heavenly stem, and I know that he has lost a lot of money in his wealth luck.

It's the same for a branch that combines, destroys or clashes with wealth can cause money to be lost, particularly in Bazi charts of sibling rivalry, such as that of Tori Spelling, yours, and my brother's, which are glaring examples of how wealth is detrimental to this type of Bazi chart. I am not the one saying this; Professor Lily Chung and Jerry King also discuss it most eloquently in their books.

I already had this experience of losing money in 2023, but it was less serious than for you because I had the Si-You combination in my bazi, which reduced the violence of the clash between Gui Mao and Ding You, and also because You was in my earthly branches and Gui in my hour, clashed my Rob Wealth, and I still had regular income even though it had decreased.

Think about everything @eveereads  has told you on this topic, and she's right: you're not ready to learn Bazi Mingli or Mangpai. Have a safe journey.