Can vaccination be valid .. ?

[tyc]

Agreed with your thoughts & previous posting.  However, the problem I want to remind everyone is the current problem isn't mainly an internal qi issue or inside our body.  Rather, it starts off from the external qi or simply the virus is in the air.  Stay too close from someone infected & you might get it as well.

My guess is, using qi gong, you can channel the qi in a certain way within our body to minimize the virus impact.  Just my 2cents.

[Tientai ✝️]

Also @tyc you are right ..!!
Yes without saying we must protect ourselves from virus attack ..!!
But is an asset on trying to elevate our imunity by Qi Gong practices at the same time .!!
Perhaps we will be safe from high complications on severity when we are positive on this COVID virus ..!!
Don't you think ?
...

[DiegoFS]

A comment that I want to make to Tientai and Tyc, is the following:

And more in relation to the current pandemic. The Inner Qi when cultivated for several years in a row is more powerful than an Atomic Bomb, and I am not exaggerating at all. Perhaps some colleagues may think that I am imagining strange things, or that Diego is totally crazy, but it is not like that. I have studied with Masters of these Internal Arts and the Ancient Manuscripts of the Monasteries of Imperial China, I have my arguments that are very solid and forceful. Nor will I debate the arguments in an International Forum that is open to all kinds of public (I know that there are people who are flexible to the Tao and others who think that this is charlatanism or that those of us who practice it are literally insane, therefore, better to be cautious). In ancient times (I don't know now), a candidate for a monk who wanted to enter a Taoist or Buddhist Monastery was first subjected to rigorous tests, and until he had the necessary attributes and merits he was allowed access to this Wisdom. “Filters” have always been handled, anyone will think that this is something elitist, but in reality this is not something to play with, nor to use it for evil. A person who does not have the ideal spiritual merits can easily become a Master of Martial Arts Criminal and Serial Killer.

For the time that I have been practicing the Tao, I feel totally IMMUNE to COVID. I am in Bogotá (Colombia), you can verify it on the Internet, here in this city is where there are the greatest number of infected and dead in reference to my country. As far as possible I go without a mask around the city and among the public (people sometimes look at me strangely), and I only put it on when the authorities (Police and Guards) force me to comply with protocols of social distance and isolation. But I have no fear (not the slightest), even against the New England Strain of catching it. In fact, my Internal Qi is a Natural Vaccine and More Powerful than the best of the Chemical and Synthetic Vaccines of Pfizer, Moderna, Aztrazeneca or Sputnik V. And as I mentioned in the previous reference, Internal Qi is More Powerful than a Wild Horse. If I used it in Martial Arts it could kill or fracture a person, even without hitting him hard (what happens is that I am not interested in becoming a Black Belt in Kung Fu, or in anything like it, which is irrelevant).

If a Virus like Covid enters my blood, the Virus will not kill me, on the contrary, my Internal Qi would kill the Covid in less than an hour. And I know very well why I am telling you this. Perhaps the only thing that worries me a bit about the Pandemic is the economic consequences, it is increasingly difficult for me to obtain a stable income of money and it does not stop causing me uncertainty. But the public health part, I don't care much. I am sorry that people die, but the Inner Qi (or its absence) leaves each person in their rightful place.

Personally, I am convinced that with the issue of Global Warming in these ten or fifteen years to come, Viruses and Pandemics will appear Much More Powerful and Deadly than Covid. And with the Internal Qi you can protect yourself from any Pandemic, whatever it is called. Let's go a little further in about 15 or 20 years, with the development of Quantum Technologies and Military Nanotechnology, the Third World War will arrive where the People's Republic of China, along with Russia, Iran and Turkey will face Nuclear Missiles (there will even be satellite bombardments out of the atmosphere) against the United States, the United Kingdom, Israel and France. Other countries such as North Korea, India, and I don't know how many more will surely enter.

When that happens, Nuclear Contamination by Radioactive Isotopes will flood the oceans, rivers, air and agricultural crops of the entire world. A person who handles and accumulates enough Internal Qi, will be able to protect himself against Radiation by Massive Atomic Bombs. Those who do not have Internal Qi will bear all the losses and the consequences of cancer due to leukemia (which is nothing more than a neoplasm that is produced by not having enough Internal Qi). It is difficult to do massive bone marrow transplants, that is something impossible to do in reality.

Regardless of the catastrophic events that come, I aspire to die of old age practicing the Tao until the last day of my life. And it is the main reason why my life makes sense, besides it is better to save good dharmas for my next existence. I simply recommend this Path of Tao to you, but since there is free will, each one will choose what they think suits them best. Only at the end of existence there will no longer be time to make amends for mistakes and bad decisions.

[DiegoFS]

I want to add something to Tientai:

It is very difficult, not to mention IMPOSSIBLE that a single Vaccine can stop Covid, the one because the adverse effects vary from one to another, but the main problem is that the Virus makes 2 or 3 mutations per month, and in this last Lineage B.1.1.7, already made 22 mutations in a single day in its genomic sequence. Naturally, a younger person has better life prognoses than a grandfather, we throughout our lives produce between 15 to 18 liters of Internal Qi, and it runs out little by little, unless we cultivate it with the practices of the Tao . For this reason, the first candidates for vaccines are those over 60 years of age, because they have fewer antibodies (and less Internal Qi). To strengthen the Immune System, the Channeled and Feedback Qi can produce a sufficient amount and concentration of antibodies in the Bone Marrow, and with the parallel help of the Thymus Gland, we protect us from any Pandemic, as I explained above. It is true that Vaccines in artificial form do this, but our Inner Temple does it much better.

Greetings, Tientai.

[Tientai ✝️]

Dear Diego...
I would like to present the condition of the current worldwide vaccination ..in accordance to TAI XUAN JING divination .. (see my initial quotation )
The heavy toll that population is going to undertake when making vaccination resembles to 3 kind of persons trying to upfold a bar of  100 kilos ..
1. A young boy isn't sufficient due to undevelopment of muscle/bone structure ..
2. A middle age man could upfold easily this bar ..
3. The old age person  is under a decaying process. . so is very difficult to upfold  this Bar...
The judgment is yours ..!!!
....
Best regards ..

[DiegoFS]

Tientai: the comparison you make with Tai Xuan Jing divination is very interesting and valid, and indeed a person who conscientiously practices Chinese Taoism can bend that 100-kilo steel bar just by using a little finger and without A big effort.

But looking at the situation of the Pandemic in today's context, there is much spiritual relaxation and laziness of modern humanity (99% of humanity is more concerned with sports, parties, watching movies, traveling, going dancing to discos, to consume liquor and even drugs). It does not mean that we cannot take our times of a healthy rest, but we must not neglect our own Temple. Just looking back to the times of the Yuan Dynasty of Imperial China (1279-1,368) there were 15,000 Taoist monks and nuns registered in the Monasteries; to that we should add the Laity and the practitioners of Buddhism. That is, there were many people working on the Internal Qi, regardless of the number of Schools. And in other continents the same thing happened.

Today, the Taoist and Buddhist Monasteries are almost empty. And in today's world, there are proportionally very few Practitioners of these Doctrines. At the bottom of it all, Humanity is the victim and guilty of navigating in the comfort zone and Pandemics will collect their collective karmic taxes in these times of environmental deterioration and global warming.

In not many years, when the Third World War arrives (which will largely be caused by the attempt to maintain and perpetuate the hegemony of the World Economy between the United States and China), the consequences of Nuclear Radiation from Planet Earth will be worse than Twenty Pandemics together. The sufferings, complaints and pains of the human race will be a thousand percent worse than what we see at this moment.

[Jiyou]

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[DiegoFS]

Hello Jiyou, I am pleased to find you here in the Forum. Yes, the truth is that a person can treat multiple diseases with these Taoist Techniques including Tai Chi Chuan as well. For example, in the case of cancer that your appointment is very forceful a recovery of a patient who, when suffering from cancer, practices Qi Gong, as long as it has not entered a metastasis phase or that it has entered the threshold of a phase terminal IV, and the fundamental reason is that the recirculation of Qi results in an increase in the concentration of zinc, which is not only a divalent cation, but also being a trace element behaves as a coenzyme, which by the way is usually found in shellfish (species that inhabit the depths of the oceans), in some texts they are often called zinc fingers. And correspondingly, the presence of zinc, as a trace element, improves the functionality of the immune system and therefore protects us against all types of pathogens, including viruses such as Covid. But of course, a cancer patient can also recover.
 
In these cases, and within the Doctrine of Traditional Chinese Medicine, there are specific circuits that are improved by Qi Gong, such is the case of the Ren Mai Director Vessel and the Acupuncture Vortices: Lieque and Zhaohai that are associated with the Trigrams: Xùn ☴ Wind and Khǎn ☵ Water, respectively, or also from the Sea of Marrow, especially from the Resonator: Feng Fu or Residence of the Wind.

This is the reason why the Ancient Chinese Masters mentioned that if a person obtains the Mastery of the Ascent and Descent of the Dragon and the Tiger, such a Sage can master the Qi Gong and open the Windows of the Spirit. In collateral form the Hexagram 50 Dǐng 鼎 or the Cauldron or Sacred Vessel, makes a much deeper philosophical explanation regarding this comment.

[tyc]

@DiegoFS
I don't disagree with you thoughts.
However, it's best to remind readers that practicing qi gong is not as simple as just watching several video clips online or read books and think they just master the concepts.

I tried & failed to understand the details within this art and longer interested in the concepts.  Thus, it's best for average people / readers like myself to remember qi gong helps but best to just use simple percussions when dealing with the pandemic.

[DiegoFS]

Yes, Tyc you are right even though in principle the Tao is something simple, deep down it is more complex than it seems. There are many techniques and methods according to the Schools, although in reality all go to the same objective.

Just watching Youtube videos is NOT enough. To truly advance you must have the support of a true Master. I recommend that you take documents and study them well. Be patient, you are not going to travel a thousand kilometers in an hour, so you must go step by step.

Later and if you really see that you really want to get involved, write me to my email suarezt.diegof@gmail from your email (you have to identify yourself to know that it is you) and I could recommend a work that is in English. It is not the same as having a Master by your side, but it would help you a lot. I hereby prefer not to. There would be comments that I would prefer to make internally.

In my case, I handle the Internal Qi because I want to, because I feel that it is part of my personal evolution, nobody has imposed it on me, one sets goals for oneself. And the beauty of the Tao is that nobody controls you, you simply decide yourself if you want to do it or not. Whether you want to fulfill your personal spiritual goals or not. You yourself would be the Judge who would rate whether you are doing well or not.

And as I have mentioned, I have not thought about taking care of myself on the street regarding Covid, because I do not need to comply with social protocols, I fulfill my goals of practicing the Tao every day, I do not even think about vaccinating against this Pandemic, or against any other Pandemic to appear in the future tense. In my blood I carry my own vaccine which is the Internal Qi, that was is enough for me and I have plenty.

[Tientai ✝️]

Dear @DiegoFS .. hi ..
I would to ask you on giving some safe Qigong exersises that can armour and build imunity for everyone want to make a start..!!
Are you available to answer on any difficulties in the course of practice from anyone of us ?
I think this is a good idea from a heap of theories and discussions ...!!
Best regards
Tientai

[DiegoFS]

Hello Tientai: don't worry about the discussions, as long as they take place in an environment of healthy respect, everything is fine. In addition, I am one of those who thinks that for you to become Wise, a prior analysis is always required, it is not about adopting techniques by force. And the Tao is not a dictatorship. I remember that around the year 2003, I was always filled with doubts and questions, especially because at the beginning you make mistakes and it is logical to assume that you walk on uncertain roads, only with time you acquire security and self-confidence. Sometimes when you make a mistake you start to value these techniques more, naturally you have to get up again.

We will do something: I will look at some Youtube videos, free pdf books (if possible in English), maybe blogs on websites, I will try to find techniques for beginners and something for a medium level. Anyway, I ask you for a little patience, maybe it will take a bit, maybe a few days, I will review the current materials well and choose the most appropriate. There are some texts that have an abstract language that although it is true can be addressed, they can be confusing.

Some time and a long time ago, I had several works on my computer (which I later deleted), I have been mixing several books on Internal Alchemy and Martial Arts with Tai Chi and Qi Gong that have been accommodating my body and my personal energy. For my part, I have not been in favor of adopting a Rigid School, I try to be flexible. I think now I use the combination of 5 or 6 techniques and I have eliminated some things that from my point of view are irrelevant. In my 17 years of experience I have made many changes and I think that as I have acquired more expertise I have been making my own mutations (as if I were a Covid, jajaja  ).

But seriously, when you accumulate experience, the Qi accumulates more and more like a battery of great power and in that sense you need to incorporate new ideas into your daily work, you must perfect the acquired schemes. Perhaps in one, two or three years, my current techniques will undergo further changes. I get used to the idea that to get to the Master in any Art, it must work like this. This is not about walking in a straight line, sometimes you have to go around a curve and take shortcuts.

You must be clear that Books, Articles, Videos will never replace a Personal Teacher assigned to a Monastery, but these online tools of the 21st century help a lot, and that is what we have at the moment. I will tell you an anecdote: many years ago I had an Elderly Master who started me in my first steps, but he died in the year 2.005, such a person guides you with patience and gives you clues that do not appear in any text, I remember that to the students that there were at that time (I was not the only one), he told us a lot about this Pandemic and those that will come in the future. Despite not having him physically by my side, he is still my Internal Mentor.

I would try to help them from here when they have setbacks in the practices, it is not easy to make virtual guides, but I will try to provide solutions as far as possible.

When I have some links, books, and videos, I promise I'll edit it here for this very post. A greeting…

[DiegoFS]

As far as I was able to realize my Old Master (with whom I shared between the years 2.003 to 2.005) many previous reincarnations ago was the same Yellow Emperor  (Huangdi 黃帝,) and Regent of Kunlun Mountain and who lived in China over there 5,000 years ago, that is, he was one of the initiators of Imperial China. Maybe you think i was doing an Ancient Chinese Master with a physical body was doing in South America, but in reality he has been doing Spiritual Missions in their different lives and in different countries and continents. At that time there were many things that he explained to me and I did not understand them. But through the years and until recently I have been understanding them. Especially when they explain to you how the Universe works, sometimes you get completely confused and in your mind a chaos forms. I always admired his Wisdom, his Simplicity and his Humility.

Somehow it could be said that I am here in this Five Arts Forum, thanks to him.

[Tientai ✝️]

For better reading I split this topic and opened a new thread with :
Re: Qi Gong for Helth and Imunity
http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=1176.msg9307#msg9307
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[tyc]

Thanks @DiegoFS for your input.

What i wanted to stated before was I'm "NO" longer interested in gi gong.  Thanks for your suggestions.

Also to note, gi gong is the just the basic about breathing air into your body and exhaling air out of your body.  There are other ideas and more advance concepts (like stated by diego above) that involves internal breathing (not sure the Chinese words but it is somewhat pronounce as Nor Gong: ex Ba Gua).  Ba Gua is where I stopped.