Will I get a compensation from my bank

[andponomarev]

Hello,

Another example for me to look at. 7 days ago I had a problem with my bank: they charged me extra $40 because of my fault (I had chosen wrong services, so it was my fault). 2 days ago I made a divination of whether I'll get a compensation from my bank - either money or extending services for free, for example. That's what I got:



What I see here:

Subject - Me
Object - Compensation

1) Subject and Object (3rd and 6th lines) match (Yin-Yang), which is good.
2) Subject line is Asset, strong, and it's moving - GOOD
3) Subject line has hidden Officer line. I guess it's good
4) Subject line generates Officer line in the 2nd hex - GOOD
4) 4th and 5th lines are relatively strong, which is also good in my opinion (lines between S and O give additional information about outcome)
5) 3rd line in the 2nd hex is weak. BAD
6) 2nd hex is the clashing one. BAD

So, what are your thoughts on that? Am I missing something? What do you think outcome will be? I'll have news in 1-2 days about it. Thanks a lot to everyone as always

[andponomarev]

Hello,

Could someone comment on my divination algorithm above, please? Was it done correctly? Thank you.

[ren]

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[sleepyfreud]

Transformed hexagram is a six-clash (strike in Alex Chiu's terms).

Your element (you metal) is burned by the day's wu fire.

Does not look good.

[Sacrar]

Is one of those hexagrams that require a higher level of skill. There are three Assets/wealths Chen, Wei, and Chou. One of them must be the Yong shen, but who knows which one?

The added difficulty is that the compensation cannot even be financial, but of some other kind, so there would be two yong shen.

In addition to what Ren and Sleepy have told you, fourth line Wei  Liu He to the Day so it moves secretly. It could be heading towards the Subject line.

the second line of siblings is revitalised by the changing line of parents, and this line of siblings is damaging the Asset. The Sibling is in the resting stage(the loss is not too high).

[andponomarev]

Thank you for the reply ren, very much appreciated. I think I may first approach things by defining what each family member represents.
I would guess, Assets may represent the financial fees you were charged and Officer the bank.

I agree with the Assets, but why do you think that bank is the Officer line? Another thing is the Officer is hiding in the 1st hexagram and corresponding with the Subject line (me). So how would you explain this?

Parent could represent any forms / paper work involved.

I didn't pay attention to this line, as it's not between S and O. I read somewhere that only lines between S and O should be taken into consideration. Do you think it's wrong?

I am curious what Sibling could represent in this case and what is the effect of the liu he (six combination) on the first three lines.
(each moving line forms a liu he combination with its transformed / change line).

Thanks ,this is interesting. Would be great if someone explains this.

Is one of those hexagrams that require a higher level of skill. There are three Assets/wealths Chen, Wei, and Chou. One of them must be the Yong shen, but who knows which one?

I think that Young Shen is the Asset Wei (4th line). It's definitely not the Subject line, and the only Asset line remaining on the 1st hexagram is 4th one. And we don't look at the 2nd hex.

The added difficulty is that the compensation cannot even be financial, but of some other kind, so there would be two yong shen.

Well, honestly I don't know. At the end of the day it's money anyway. Either they provide me using their services free of charge (I'm saving money), or they transfer money to my account (I'm getting real money).

In addition to what Ren and Sleepy have told you, fourth line Wei  Liu He to the Day so it moves secretly. It could be heading towards the Subject line.

Sorry, I didn't understand. How does it secretly move, and why could it be heading towards the Subject line?

the second line of siblings is revitalised by the changing line of parents, and this line of siblings is damaging the Asset. The Sibling is in the resting stage(the loss is not too high).

I'm sorry, but again I don't understand how the second Sibling line is getting revitalised by Parents line. Could you explain it in greater details, if possible? Thank you.

[ren]

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[Sacrar]

I think that Young Shen is the Asset Wei (4th line). It's definitely not the Subject line, and the only Asset line remaining on the 1st hexagram is 4th one. And we don't look at the 2nd hex.

In fact any of the three Assets could be the yong shen, even the one in the derived hexagram (Chou).

There are some rules for selection of the yong shen.
If there are duplicate designates the priority rule is:
- If it is an active line: there is no doubt that it is that one.
- If none is active line:
o The one that has the best extrinsic energetic assessmen.
o Special relationship it maintains with Self line (Liu He, San He, Chong, etc)
o correspondence/resonance relationship with Self line.
o closer to the Self line (spatial position as in feng shui is very important).

Based on these rules even if yong shen, focus spirit, Theme/Topic, Matter Element (or whatever you want to call it) are in the self line can also be the designated one.

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Yes, and the news. I have received full compensation from the bank, they transferred money to my account.

Would you be so kind as to say on what date you received the transfer?

[andponomarev]

There are some rules for selection of the yong shen.
If there are duplicate designates the priority rule is:

Thanks for the clarification. Could you let me know if the rules in question are available in public (open)?

Would you be so kind as to say on what date you received the transfer?

Yes, sure. It's May,13th (morning)

[Sacrar]

There are some rules for selection of the yong shen.
If there are duplicate designates the priority rule is:

Thanks for the clarification. Could you let me know if the rules in question are available in public (open)?

Yes they are open rules, you can find them in books and in alex chiu's superiching. I have put them in my previous message. Duplicate designates = duplicate Yong Shen

If there are duplicate designates the priority rule is:
- If it is an active line: there is no doubt that it is that one.
- If none is active line:
o The one that has the best extrinsic energetic assessmen.
o Special relationship it maintains with Self line (Liu He, San He, Chong, etc)
o correspondence/resonance relationship with Self line.
o closer to the Self line (spatial position as in feng shui is very important).

Alex Chiu:

Just concentrate on the one that is stronger or closer to the Subject line.
- If one is moving and the other is not, simply take the moving line as instructed.
- If there is an active line that damages both designated, it will damage the one closest to this active line more. Therefore, use the one furthest away from the damaging element. The old text however says to use the one closest to Self. Given this contradiction focus on both or re-roll.
- Even if one is less strong by date but is linker to Subject's line and closer to it, that one would be more important.

More info in https://www.superiching.com/doublestar.htm

[Gmuli]

If there are duplicate designates the priority rule is:
- If it is an active line: there is no doubt that it is that one.

This is one of the points I think he was too enthusiastic about(one of many, as it happens).
In my humble opinion, while we can view that a moving line suggests something we should know, and that will point out to what we ask about in many cases, the idea it always is exactly what we ask about isn't a good idea.

There are situations a female may ask about a guy, there wouldn't be change going with him, yet there would be another guy in her life that will be going through change she should know about(and I have questions like that).
Of course, in that case the guy she asks about won't move, as there is no change going on there, yet the other Officer line will have, as there is change there.

No way to show that, if we always assume if its moving it has to be exactly the person the question was aimed at.

While I do agree there is some validity in there, the idea its so strong rule that it overrides everything else is a risky approach in my humble opinion.

[Sacrar]

If there are duplicate designates the priority rule is:
- If it is an active line: there is no doubt that it is that one.

This is one of the points I think he was too enthusiastic about(one of many, as it happens).
In my humble opinion, while we can view that a moving line suggests something we should know, and that will point out to what we ask about in many cases, the idea it always is exactly what we ask about isn't a good idea.

There are situations a female may ask about a guy, there wouldn't be change going with him, yet there would be another guy in her life that will be going through change she should know about(and I have questions like that).
Of course, in that case the guy she asks about won't move, as there is no change going on there, yet the other Officer line will have, as there is change there.

No way to show that, if we always assume if its moving it has to be exactly the person the question was aimed at.

While I do agree there is some validity in there, the idea its so strong rule that it overrides everything else is a risky approach in my humble opinion.

That's right, they are general rules with exceptions.

In this case example, which Asset would you choose as the designated (focus) one?

[Gmuli]

Its difficult hex, I would have gone for line 4(and I can't explain why, as I wouldn't have any idea how to read that a year ago).
And it seems I would be wrong, as if we look at the timing seems clear its more related to line 1(also can't explain why, other then the obvious end of void).

So the question is somewhat off, the Sibling Line on Other and 6, suggests something else was the question and it was not related to the bank by itself. Also was different then what the words mean literally(the way the person thought about the situation wasn't the way they phrased the words).

And in this case it seems to be involving other people(Sibling on Line 6) that aren't really part of the situation, so a random guess would be something like "what will person A think if I get the money from the bank" or something like that, the money seem to be involved, but the actual question was not as near them as one would expect.

That is just the guess, though, but the whole thing is based on guessing. Yet from what I can see at this point it seems the Useful God or Focus or Matter Element would be on line 1, while the whole upper trigram was showing something else.