Will the fir trees survive?

[vadim]

Good afternoon! I transplanted two fir trees to another place last summer. In winter they were green, now they have turned yellow. I understand that technically the small roots of the tree died during transplantation, but I have hope.  Si fire  trees. The fire is in full bloom, and is transformed into a future hexagram. I hope they will come to life by next summer.https://www.bright-hall.net/wwg/27,0,0,0,0,1,0,8,3,2022-07-01,23:47

[Gmuli]

Si fire  trees.

If we set something on specific element of the branches, like that, we risk to lose the strength.
Si fire will always be strong in Wu Horse Month, even more so on that day...
So we have solidify the answer before the system has the chance to step in with it.

[Gmuli]

Will read it with QMDJ, seems wise to start moving to it, since WWG is in all time high interest, won't try to explain the benefits of that and will just use for my own learning purposes. If someone wants answer with that as well year of birth(after 4 february) of the people involved mentioned with the question can be helpful.

In this case, Ren is hosting the situation and we will look at it as the trees survival
Its weak in the places it is in and in Void. The outcome is drained by the Day Stem. There are punishments and stuff.
Seems it will have difficult time,but could be worse.

Similar images for the other line in WWG, actually. Weak Water in void having very challenging times in the environment it is in. If it survives to the Winter, may become easier, but now it seems to have a difficult time. May want to try to notice if it needs more water.

[vadim]

Thank you Gmuli! It seemed to me or maybe I'm reassuring myself that something green appears on the tips of the branches. It rains a lot now, I think that moisture should be fine. Right now I was using six liu ren.  The hour fell on Liu Lian(stagnation). The result will be slow, but who will rush the growth of my fir trees?

[Sacrar]

Interesting to see a tree as a Offspring. But it can make sense, as it is almost like a pet.

Well under that frame one should just look at:
- Yuan Shen Sibling prosperous and in wang phase. It carries wood element.
- Ji shen that is Zi Parents, is in emptiness. Changing to the Yong Shen. Zi Parent enters its phase of vanishing in Si fire.
- Chou Shen absent and clashed by the day.
- Xie Shen Xu Active with secret movement controlling the Ji Shen (Zi Parent).

Seems like a good scenario. Zi parent (Ji Shen) carrying the water sign, maybe it can indicate that too much water does more damage to the fir tree. I have googled and it seems that in fir trees this is true, too much water does more harm than good.

Now the images of the trigrams:
- inner trigram is wood thunder: Sprout / Shoot
- Outer trigram is mountain of earth: the earth where it is planted.
- Outer trigram changes to Xun wood (plant, tree).

Finally the names of the hexagrams: H.27 Nutrition changing to H.42 augmentation. Perhaps a proper way to nourish it? a proper fertiliser? watering it properly?

Then joining the two perspectives it seems that there is hope.

[vadim]

Hello Sacrar! Thanks for the clarification. Reading your analysis, I realized that you have a certain system consisting of certain items. Perhaps these are the keys that a lost person in the forest uses to survive. If possible, please write them using this example. For example, while I'm just guessing what is Ji shen,  Chou shen Xie shen.As far as I understand, the algorithm consists of analyzing elements? that help the tree in this case and interfering elements. Maybe it's from Jack's book, but I wrote to the author, it's impossible to deliver books to us, so the terminology is unknown to me. I ask if it is possible to write an algorithm for parsing any chart. For example, to saw off a tree, you need to saw through the trunk to the middle of the trunk, then tie the rope by the crown, then pull the rope. Also let it be in the chart what we look at first, what we check, etc.Although, of course, I understand that this project is aimed at exchanging opinions on the subject, and is not related to the training of students. Therefore, everything is fine.

[Sacrar]

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[vadim]

Thank you very much Sacrar!  Special thanks for responding to help me!

[JLim (Darma W)]

Hi All, this is the hexagram plotted using Gmuli's nice program.  I look at this tree as a Parent line, because it gives protection for us.  If it was something like a bonsai tree, then it would be for a hobby, in which case the Offspring line would be more suitable. 

Vadim, what is the purpose of planting this tree?  Is it located outside your house or in your garden?  How tall is it now?  It appears that you got helped by some people in transplanting it, if what I see is correct.

We are here divining this object, a tree, and the Object line (line 1) happens to be the Parent line (Zi Water).  Zi Water comes with Green Dragon, which is the Six Animal sign for a tree.  It does not matter that the tree is of Water element.  There does not need to be any connection between the Branch element and the element of the object.

Zi Water appears again at line 5.  I agree with Sacrar that this line goes to the vanishing phase.  My take on this: this tree is not doing well, unfortunately it's difficult to save this tree.  It does not help either that Zi is suffering from Month Break.  Special note of thanks to Sacrar for the clarifying diagram on Yong Shen, Ji Shen etc.

[vadim]

Hello  JLim and the participants!  It is a great honor for me to participate in the discussion . The story is this: About 2 years ago, small fir trees were brought to us. I planted them near the house. They took root and began to grow. We have a gas pipe located underground near the house.  I began to think that the fir trees would grow and their root system could wrap around the gas pipe. I had to dig it out myself and transplant it to another place near the house. In winter they stood green, but since this spring they have turned yellow. Earlier they were near the house, now in the garden. Thank you for your help in parsing my question. I will write how the events with the fir trees will develop. I think that the result of the spring of 2023.

[JLim (Darma W)]

Ah, it was 2 years ago that you planted it, which was Zi year!  That fits well with my Six Kins assignment, because the tree was represented by Zi in the hexagram.

Yes, the roots wrapping around an object in the ground would be damaging.  I have seen mistakes like this happening in Indonesia when the tree is moved too late.  Just yesterday, I finished working with my client to enhance the Feng Shui of their house with trees.  Although gardening was not my part of the assignment, I reminded the house owner to make sure that the gardener planted trees with enough distance.

By the way, if the roots are already wrapping around an object (such as a pipe), then I would expect to see the Flying Serpent 騰蛇 coming with Zi Water.  The Serpent does not come with Zi, because actually you already moved the tree.

[vadim]

Excellent JLim!Thanks again for the help!

[Sacrar]

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[vadim]

JI Shen that is combined with the day has movement secretly damaging the Yong shen. Self line and Mao merge, does it give the effect of movement? Did I understand correctly?  Thanks Sacrar ! The place where the fir trees used to be consists more of clay and earth. There is a black earth where the fir trees are now. I think there is enough moisture. Now the resin on the buds of the branches has begun to stand out. This is a sign of a mechanical negative impact. Probably small roots were damaged during the transplant.

[JLim (Darma W)]

Sacrar, you have done a nice job of building a story from the hexagram to see what's happening with the tree! 

I lack basic knowledge of planting and gardening, and vadim's country is not in a tropical land, either.  However, I can agree with Si Fire as heat damaging the tree. Yes, it strengthens the Ji Shen, and it leads Zi (the tree) into the "vanishing stage". 

Nothing for me to add at this point.