Accurate Bazi chart hour correction time !

[SilverW4ter]

HI there,

That's anyone can analyse which correct hour for my Bazi chart?

Because my mom said I was born on 00:53 (Zi Rat hour) in the morning but my father said 00:58 (already 1 am which is Ox hour according to Bazi calculator)

my date of birth is : 29-August-1981. Jakarta, Indonesia time either 00:53 or 00:58.

my question is :

1. which hour is the correct time for my Bazi chart? and how to identify it?

2. about 4-5 years later I will move to the next luck pillar which is Xin Mao that some of the master said it is not good luck pillar
so what I have to do to overcome it?

Thank you in advance and I hope you have a nice day.

[JLim (Darma W)]

bazi-calculator.com has a nice feature to compare two different charts.   In this case, we want to compare the same chart with different hours:



Anybody would like to ascertain the right hour? 

[SilverW4ter]

bazi-calculator.com has a nice feature to compare two different charts.   In this case, we want to compare the same chart with different hours:



Anybody would like to ascertain the right hour?

hi Mr Jlim

Thank you for replying my message and I really appreciate it 
about the chart I already seen it before in bazi chart about the difference time
so that's why I confuse it now because many master can not read my chart properly before I have the accurate time
because he said that difference time difference story and thinking and destiny.

so my question is

how we identify the accurate time whether in Zi rat hour or Chou ox hour?

thank you

[SilverW4ter]

Hi, Mr Jlim

I would like to use your service but I don't know my exact time either 00:53  (rat hour) or 00:58 (ox hour)that resonate my life
maybe you would like to help me a bit to find out.

born, 29 August 1981 Jakarta, Indonesia

many thanks

[Gmuli]

Hi.
I think second chart will have problems. Thinking, talking, even more so in front of people.
Not so much for first one. So since you are here and doesn't seem to have problem posting,  I would say first one may be better bet. )

[SilverW4ter]

Hi.
I think second chart will have problems. Thinking, talking, even more so in front of people.
Not so much for first one. So since you are here and doesn't seem to have problem posting,  I would say first one may be better bet. )

Hi Mr Gmuli

Thank you for your nice reply and really appreciate it

so do you thing the first one which is Zi Rat hour more suitable for me?

is that second one is ox hour? what happen with ox hour? what thinking problem that possess ox hour? and how bad it is

thank you

[Gmuli]

Not sure, as sometimes choices can lead it to another direction. But one way to read it would be this.
 7K in Day Branch. So inner world of DM is controling them. Mao is diplomatic, usually, so kinda ruthless yet balanced. Month and Year stem control it well enough. So way they communicate and think in nearby and far away places keeps that in check.

Yet it comes out when in front of people. Something ruthless and balanced at the same time. As when around people(Chou images of Sibling), they become center and swallows all the other metal, as thoughts, expression etc.

So when communicating in front of people there is something not fun that happens. And it could be connected to problems with thinking, as You/Mao clash suggests thinking braking the inner processes. And the combination with Month as well.
Then the Hour Stem weakening DM shows it, so whatever that is it can be seen when around people. Or when creating something overall.

That is nicer with Jia. As then all conflicts with Mao, may be fine, its Mao after all so could balance stuff. And it comes out as DO, so strong presence/authority when around people. And combining with DM, so giving them base to work on.

Both are up to choices and stuff, though, maybe you balanced it already. But I would go with Zi. Chou one is kinda darker when around people. At least in potential.

[SilverW4ter]

Not sure, as sometimes choices can lead it to another direction. But one way to read it would be this.
 7K in Day Branch. So inner world of DM is controling them. Mao is diplomatic, usually, so kinda ruthless yet balanced. Month and Year stem control it well enough. So way they communicate and think in nearby and far away places keeps that in check.

Yet it comes out when in front of people. Something ruthless and balanced at the same time. As when around people(Chou images of Sibling), they become center and swallows all the other metal, as thoughts, expression etc.

So when communicating in front of people there is something not fun that happens. And it could be connected to problems with thinking, as You/Mao clash suggests thinking braking the inner processes. And the combination with Month as well.
Then the Hour Stem weakening DM shows it, so whatever that is it can be seen when around people. Or when creating something overall.

That is nicer with Jia. As then all conflicts with Mao, may be fine, its Mao after all so could balance stuff. And it comes out as DO, so strong presence/authority when around people. And combining with DM, so giving them base to work on.

Both are up to choices and stuff, though, maybe you balanced it already. But I would go with Zi. Chou one is kinda darker when around people. At least in potential.

Hi, Mr Gmuli

I have few questions :

well, actually I am bit confuse in paragraph 2 that you said that "Yet it comes out when in front of people. Something ruthless and balanced at the same time. As when around people(Chou images of Sibling), they become center and swallows all the other metal, as thoughts, expression etc."
what is mean by become center and swallows all the other metal as though, expressions, etc ?

and then the statement about "So when communicating in front of people there is something not fun that happens. And it could be connected to problems with thinking, as You/Mao clash suggests thinking braking the inner processes. And the combination with Month as well.
Then the Hour Stem weakening DM shows it, so whatever that is it can be seen when around people. Or when creating something overall."

what is mean by something not fun? is that I am easily get angry or boring or maybe got tired talking with people that will weakening my daymaster?


the last point about this
"That is nicer with Jia. As then all conflicts with Mao, may be fine, its Mao after all so could balance stuff. And it comes out as DO, so strong presence/authority when around people. And combining with DM, so giving them base to work on."

what is mean by strong authority when around people? it is some kind like when I talk something people will listen it?


because in real life I sometimes procrastination and my work will delay if something disturb my mind ?

but when I feel happy I can do stuff on time

thank you

[Gmuli]

what is mean by become center and swallows all the other metal as though, expressions, etc ?

Can't say for sure without knowing you in real life. : )
But... Can guess. Its basically situation when all thought processes are stopped/taken by something with images of danger(coz of stem) and at the same time carring Images of people.
And that looks like survival mechanism. Someone stops thinking and focuses on getting out of the situation first.
Could be something else, again - have to see in real life to say. But without that a good bet is something survival based.

what is mean by something not fun? is that I am easily get angry or boring or maybe got tired talking with people that will weakening my daymaster?

Same problem - difficult to say how its played out without knowing you. Or if oyu have overcomed it already.
But something survival based or reaction to that is a good bet.

what is mean by strong authority when around people? it is some kind like when I talk something people will listen it?

Sure. Inner struggle and all. Someone overcomes the parts attacking them, that is what we call 'authority'. People respect that, as its suggest higher stakes in the situation.

because in real life I sometimes procrastination and my work will delay if something disturb my mind ?

Maybe this. Or maybe not. Very difficult to be sure, without the exact process(what happens to start delaying, how does that unfold etc.)

But if it follows that steps, there is survival idea that stops thinking processes and instead focus on other people then maybe Chou is not balanced and still there.
(for example of that delays include social interactions, like instead of working one goes to talk to friends and stuff, then maybe that is it, yea).

[SilverW4ter]

what is mean by become center and swallows all the other metal as though, expressions, etc ?

Can't say for sure without knowing you in real life. : )
But... Can guess. Its basically situation when all thought processes are stopped/taken by something with images of danger(coz of stem) and at the same time carring Images of people.
And that looks like survival mechanism. Someone stops thinking and focuses on getting out of the situation first.
Could be something else, again - have to see in real life to say. But without that a good bet is something survival based.

what is mean by something not fun? is that I am easily get angry or boring or maybe got tired talking with people that will weakening my daymaster?

Same problem - difficult to say how its played out without knowing you. Or if oyu have overcomed it already.
But something survival based or reaction to that is a good bet.

what is mean by strong authority when around people? it is some kind like when I talk something people will listen it?

Sure. Inner struggle and all. Someone overcomes the parts attacking them, that is what we call 'authority'. People respect that, as its suggest higher stakes in the situation.

because in real life I sometimes procrastination and my work will delay if something disturb my mind ?

Maybe this. Or maybe not. Very difficult to be sure, without the exact process(what happens to start delaying, how does that unfold etc.)

But if it follows that steps, there is survival idea that stops thinking processes and instead focus on other people then maybe Chou is not balanced and still there.
(for example of that delays include social interactions, like instead of working one goes to talk to friends and stuff, then maybe that is it, yea).

From the point of view that you gave to me I thing chou hour is suitable because:

1. my mind easily get distracted when something make me angry pass to me for example my wife blame me if I late for the dinner but actually that is my wife fault because she prepare it too long and because of that I stop doing my work task and then debate with her so from here procrastinate appear until my mind relax again.

2. I thing I don't have any authority in Zi rat hour as you said to me before that people will listen to me because my son sometimes forgot to do what I already told to him for example to make homework, assignment etc instead he just playing games and watch movies even if he loves me very much but the good news is sometimes he listen to me.

3. and also my subordinate rarely listen what i said, they just only say yes yes yes but then forgot what I said but if I angry they will listen and do it, well it is make me tired why if I talk nicely to people they don't want listen it and believe.

4. I thing I survival type because when pandemic in 2020 I always use masker everywhere even in workspace, ask my family to not go anywhere during pandemic etc I feel just like over protective.

well I thing is chou hour, darker no authority no one listen

thank you for give me a insight mr Gmuli

your the best 

[Gmuli]

Makes sense. : )

[JLim (Darma W)]

From the point of view that you gave to me I thing chou hour is suitable because:

Hi SilverW4ter, I disagree.  Zi hour suits you better.  The charts are reposted below.  And here is my analysis:

2. I thing I don't have any authority in Zi rat hour as you said to me before that people will listen to me because my son sometimes forgot to do what I already told to him for example to make homework, assignment etc instead he just playing games and watch movies even if he loves me very much but the good news is sometimes he listen to me.

Ji Day combines with Jia Authority, but Mao Day breaks Zi.  Jia Zi is seen as one pillar.  Combination and breakage (punishment) are contradicting.  This contradiction leads to lack of authority. 

Lacking authority with who?  The Hour Pillar represents children, and also subordinates as you wrote on point no. 3

3. and also my subordinate rarely listen what i said, they just only say yes yes yes but then forgot what I said but if I angry they will listen and do it, well it is make me tired why if I talk nicely to people they don't want listen it and believe.

4. I thing I survival type because when pandemic in 2020 I always use masker everywhere even in workspace, ask my family to not go anywhere during pandemic etc I feel just like over protective.

The Zi hour combines with Shen hour.  This combination encloses Mao Day. 
Mao Day is spouse palace, so it represents your wife.  Mao is also Child Star, so it also represents your son. 
Enclosing often leads to over-protection, especially since there is the also "constant threat" from You Rooster clashing this Mao.  End result: wife and child are sometimes over-protected.

With the Zi hour, you also like to stay at home, while it's not so with the Chou hour. 

[JLim (Darma W)]

CHART QUALITY OVERVIEW

The Chou hour leads to a much better chart grading and quality.  The whole chart would consistently controls Yi and Mao. 
With the Zi hour, there is the main drawback of Zi-Mao breakage.

[SilverW4ter]

Hi master Mr Jlim,

I am impressed with your analysis  thank you

well about the over protective I don't thing I am protective to my wife and I don't really care to her but sometimes she makes me surprise that in the end I want to care to my wife but  I just over protective to my son and my daughter , but my daughter just born a couple years ago so I don't have clue about my daughter whether she obey my authority or not.

and also I don't like to stay at home for longer time except if there are something danger like pandemic, or dangerous thing.
but I like traveling or go holiday to the place that I like with my family especially my children  but I don't like traveling alone.

I thing chou hour is suitable because many master in fivearts. info said that chou hour in my bazi is a bad person, always get pressure from parents and wife (this according to zwds), more depressed, never success.

[MangpaiLover]

HI there,

That's anyone can analyse which correct hour for my Bazi chart?

Because my mom said I was born on 00:53 (Zi Rat hour) in the morning but my father said 00:58 (already 1 am which is Ox hour according to Bazi calculator)

my date of birth is : 29-August-1981. Jakarta, Indonesia time either 00:53 or 00:58.

my question is :

1. which hour is the correct time for my Bazi chart? and how to identify it?

2. about 4-5 years later I will move to the next luck pillar which is Xin Mao that some of the master said it is not good luck pillar
so what I have to do to overcome it?

Thank you in advance and I hope you have a nice day.

if you have problem with subordinate,
based on Mnagpai, it is Rat hour.
don't think it is Ox hour
Zi-Mao Harm on the Hour Day Pillar represent Contradiction.
Hour is the Subordinate palace, hence, it is a sign of your subordinate
not wanting to listen to you.
For Ox hour, not much issues with Subordinate.

Based on traditional bazi analysis,
Zi, Mao You are all Cardinal Palace.
Hence, you love indulgence in Alcohol, Smoking, etc.