Quiz 6 -Mr Zeng Yu goes to manage a central commercial trade

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章: 用神、元神、忌神、仇神
Chapter:
  Useful God (Yong Shen),
  Primordial God (Yuan Shen),
  Fearful God (Ji Shen),
  Enemy God (Chóu Shen).

占曾于往营中贸易
Divination : Mr Zeng Yu goes to manage a central commercial trade.... (will he find good collaborators or partners ?)




... Dear Liu yao members
Try to evaluate your knowledge by deciphering on this Case ....
After some time I will give the answer from Wild Crane's Old man book ...
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ANSWER :

应爻生世，即为恩人；应克世，非仇而何？后果被仇人陷害。
When  Ying / Other yao product the Shi / Self yao, considered to be as a benefactor (the Ying / Other yao),
But Ying / Other yao subdue the Shi / Self yao, why to insist on this enemy (foe, animosity )  ?  the consequences by one’s personal enemy are to make false charges (entrapment,  pitfall.. )
勿以仇神即仇人也。
Do not take as useful (yao) an enemy God (Qiu Shen) for it is one’s personal enemy.

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The text is very short to describe an all picture of this situation  …

Best explanation is made by Jlim … he made a profound deciphering…. !!!
 Amazing ….
TIENTAI

[JLim (Darma W)]

Mr Zeng Yu will not find a business partner.  I would advise him not to waste time and money there (accomodation costs money)
Analysis:
1) Self line is on the Sixth line, so he is traveling to a distant place
2) Sibling/Brother line comes with Self line.  Finding a partner really occupies his mind, therefore he asked for this divination
3) Others line (Third line) You Metal clashes with Self line.  Others clashing Self (Mr. Zeng Yu), this is already a negative sign
4) Others line is very weak by Month and Day.  It's also overcome by Wu Horse.
5) Others line comes with Qi lin (Snake).  We have to interpret it negatively here.  Mr. Zeng Yu tends to find either selfish or doubtful fellow traders
6) There are two Wealth lines.  Chou Wealth line represents the fellow traders' wealth. 
7) Chou is Kong Wang, so all of them have very little money or lack interest in contributing money into a partnership

[JLim (Darma W)]

Summar of Reply #1:
Mr Zeng Yu will not find a business partner.  He is advised to save traveling expenses, the money save should be far more than the divination consultation fee  .  This is also reflected in the Sixth Line being Sibling   

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ANSWER :

应爻生世，即为恩人；应克世，非仇而何？后果被仇人陷害。
When  Ying / Other yao product the Shi / Self yao, considered to be as a benefactor (the Ying / Other yao),
But Ying / Other yao subdue the Shi / Self yao, why to insist on this enemy (foe, animosity )  ?  the consequences by one’s personal enemy are to make false charges (entrapment,  pitfall.. )
勿以仇神即仇人也。
Do not take as useful (yao) an enemy God (Qiu Shen) for it is one’s personal enemy.

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The text is very short to describe an all picture of this situation  …

Best explanation is made by Jlim … he made a profound deciphering…. !!!
 Amazing ….
TIENTAI

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Hi All,

I didnt have time to work seriously on quiz 6..
I am questioning about the last translated sentence:

勿以仇神即仇人也
Wù yǐ chóu shén jí chóu rén yě
Do not/use/ chou shen/approach/enmity-hatred/person/too.

This sentence is about 'chóu shén'.
@JLim please does it possible to clarify which is the 'yong shen' that you used for this question?

Thank you very much

 

I will make a try to designate the "Yong shen" of this case ...

I think Yong Shen is Offspring
Yuan Shen Brothers
And enemy God _ Chóu shén = Officer/Gost. .
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.. just think about it .. later I will say the reason on this arrangement. .

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[JLim (Darma W)]

Hi Dao, to answer to your question in Reply #7 about the Yong Shen: it's the Others line 

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占曾于往营中贸易
Divination : Mr Zeng Yu goes to manage a central commercial trade.... (will he find good collaborators or partners ?)




I want to give my personal view on this case study... with another road of explanation...

6 clash - 57 Hexagram is totally a great "Not (to go) or(collaborate ) " ..!!

Mr Zeng Yu's thinking was to find collaborators (Brothers - Yuan Shen ) Shi/self 6th unmoving yao ... but deep in his mind he wants to work hard and full of responsibility  (offspring - Yong Shen ) to make money and to offer good services to the trade commercial company  (officer/ghost ).
. . But unfortunately there are two offspring yaos as Yong shen.. and choosing the Wu offspring 3rd Ying/Others producted yao (offspring - Yong Shen ) .. that get back and destroys trade commercial company  (officer/ghost- Enemy God _ Chóu shén that Decline collaboration with 6th yao  ). .. this is very bad situation ...from workers in this company... !!!😱 and for him after all .
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This makes sense to me ... perhaps there are other opinions ....!!
Tientai

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hi Tientai,

Thanks for sharing the cases and analysists so far

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