Quiz 38 - Someone made a Divination if he has any Luck for an Official position

[Tientai ✝️]

Wild Crane Liu Yao Divination Study Book ...


1. If he will have good luck on Official Position
2. When (Which Year or Month) he may ascend (or have any difficulties ) in Official Position ?
3. What kind of Job is this Official Position  ?
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tientai

[JLim (Darma W)]

1. Self line Hai Water changes to Shen Metal.  Metal producing Water is good.
2. Wei Officer is strong by Month. 
3. Hidden third line Wu Wealth (Wife) comes out in this case.  Wu Fire combines to produce Wei Officer.
4. Hai and Mao are in producing relation.  Mao represents the job market or his career environment.
5. From 1-4, he is doing quite well in his career!

6. Wei Officer combines with Wu, which in turn comes with Dragon.  He seems to be a government official?
7. In Si year, he needs to be careful with his job.  It's because Si clashes Self line.  Moreover, Shen Metal is weak this year, and cannot help Self line.

[Tientai ✝️]

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[JLim (Darma W)]

Hi Tientai, some corrections on the translation, especially the one in italic:

不無蹭蹬，榮旋日，兩袖清風而已。This is an inauspicious prediction.
Not without bad luck, glory comes full circle, nothing more than being uncorrupted (=having clean hands).

Thank you sharing this case! Normally I don't look at 6 years ahead with the Liu Yao method, though 

[Gmuli]

This is very interesting example.
In the rules I'm familiar with Hai moving to Shen to produce itself, means Shen won't interact with any other line(except day/month) as its like finding inner strength to get you through things, you are still Hai, Shen is just the support you find in yourself.

Now, Wei is interesting. This is the authority he is seeking, but Wei is producing Shen.
However, Wei at the same time is weakening Hai.

So the interesting question becomes, is Wei weakening him or its strengthening his support...
The way it looks it seems its both.

People in authority won't give him authority, but will help him find another job as cleaner.
While if we view Hai on line 3 with Wu hiding behind it as the person in authority that hires him as cleaner we have Wei in that line and month, both helping his support(Wei producing Shen) and weakening him although still combining(Hai <> Mao <> Wei making wood potentially, also connected to Output>Performance>Job)
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Very interesting, thanks to Tientai and Jlim for interesting topic.

[Sacrar]

I know this is an old case and maybe now the rules that everyone handles are different, but there is something that doesn't fit.

3. Hidden third line Wu Wealth (Wife) comes out in this case.  Wu Fire combines to produce Wei Officer.

Feishen Hai water is weakening fushen to Wu fire. How can it get out?

Now, Wei is interesting. This is the authority he is seeking, but Wei is producing Shen.
However, Wei at the same time is weakening Hai.

Wei earth Officer is empty/void and unchanging. How can it produce shen?
Like six Wei earth Officer being Yong Shen and being empty (Kong Wang), how can that be auspicious?

[JLim (Darma W)]

3. Hidden third line Wu Wealth (Wife) comes out in this case.  Wu Fire combines to produce Wei Officer.

I don't know why I wrote that, but it's a mistake: Wu Wealth cannot come out. 

[Tientai ✝️]

Thank you sharing this case! Normally I don't look at 6 years ahead with the Liu Yao method, though 

Dear Jlim hi ...
Is very difficult to predict for 6 years ahead ... sure is far away ahead  ..!!
I thought that perhaps the ancient query is  " which year will have a luck for official position "
What is your opinion ?
Si fire clashes hai Self moving line breaking the bound of Hai -Yin ( Liu hai ) .. releasing this line to be moving .. but Si fire isn't bound and oppressing further the changed Shen parent line ? ..

...

[Sacrar]

I don't know if you've noticed that Shen metal Parents is weak because it's clashed by Yin Day, and in vanish life stage, then it doesn't seem a very promising support to Hai water. An active line broken by the day loses the ability to impose effects; that rule I think Gmuli uses, but I don't know if that applies to the changed line as well.

[Tientai ✝️]

I think .. that's why the official post the person gained isn't a big deal .. just a court cleaner .. a Derogatory position..

[JLim (Darma W)]

I don't know if you've noticed that Shen metal Parents is weak because it's clashed by Yin Day, and in vanish life stage, then it doesn't seem a very promising support to Hai water. An active line broken by the day loses the ability to impose effects; that rule I think Gmuli uses, but I don't know if that applies to the changed line as well.

Are you sure it's broken by day?  Note that the month Wei Earth produces Shen Metal. 
Imagine that Shen was not a changed line, would that be a hidden movement?

[JLim (Darma W)]

Si fire clashes hai Self moving line breaking the bound of Hai -Yin ( Liu hai ) .. releasing this line to be moving .. but Si fire isn't bound and oppressing further the changed Shen parent line ? ..

Something along that line.  But I would say Si binds the Shen, so Shen cannot produce Hai.

[Sacrar]

I don't know if you've noticed that Shen metal Parents is weak because it's clashed by Yin Day, and in vanish life stage, then it doesn't seem a very promising support to Hai water. An active line broken by the day loses the ability to impose effects; that rule I think Gmuli uses, but I don't know if that applies to the changed line as well.

Are you sure it's broken by day?  Note that the month Wei Earth produces Shen Metal. 
Imagine that Shen was not a changed line, would that be a hidden movement?

True, I could assess it with neutral force, something like the Xiu (rest) qi phase. Yes, clashed per day I could move secretly, although slightly I think, half of energy. Overall, still clashed by the day, vanish phase, only strong by the month...suggests something weak.

[duesouth]

Hi all,

FYI. My translation of the case study using the 1691AD version of Zengshan Buyi (ZSBY) (see ZSBY-9 pdf in https://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=2011.0):

[Ex.34-137. L/F to W/F]
如未月庚寅日。占官運。得革變既濟。
Example: Wei month, Geng Yin(t) day. Divining about official career. Obtained Reform [L/F], transforming into Accomplished [W/F].
官   未   丶丶         
父   酉   丶         
兄   亥   ○世      申   
兄   亥   丶         
官   丑   丶丶         
子   卯   丶應         

Hidden                          Lake-Fire Reform [L/F]   Water-Fire Accomplished [W/F]
                             Officer-Ghost   Wei earth   丶丶   Brother-Sister   Zi water   丶丶
                            Father-Mother   You metal   丶   Officer-Ghost   Xu earth   丶
                            Brother-Sister   Hai water   ○ Subject   Father-Mother   Shen metal   丶丶
Wife-Wealth Wu(h) fire   Brother-Sister   Hai water   丶   Brother-Sister   Hai water   丶
                            Officer-Ghost   Chou earth   丶丶   Officer-Ghost   Chou earth   丶丶
                            Son-Daughter   Mao wood   丶 Object   Son-Daughter   Mao wood   丶

斷曰。世臨亥水。今歲子年。太歲拱扶。
Interpreting, I said: ?Subject is in Hai water. This year is Zi year. Grand Duke is clasping and assisting.?

九五酉金。雖不發動。亦含生世之意。世爻又化囘頭之生。又得日辰相合。
?Nine [i.e. Yang] at Fifth You metal, although not moving, also contains the idea of producing Subject. Subject line also changing to turn back to produce, and also obtains day branch combine.?

上爻未土官星。當權得令。仕途平坦。如水以行舟也。
?Top line is Wei earth Officer star, holding power, obtains season. Official career will be smooth, like water flowing along a boat.?

惟疑權操兩省。不爲不當。如何兄爻持世。財伏被剋。此美中之不足也。
?But I doubt [about you getting] the authority to govern the two provinces. Not because inappropriate. In what way is Brother line holding Subject? Wealth, hidden, is countered. The beauty within is not enough.?

公問後日何如。予曰。防巳年太歲。沖亥刑申。不無蹭蹬。榮歸之日。只落得四海一空囊耳。
He asked: ?Day after tomorrow, what will happen?? I said: ?Be careful of Si year Grand Duke, it clashes Hai and punishes Shen. Not without setbacks, day of returning home in glory. Only finish obtaining from the four seas [i.e. the world] an empty purse.?

果于巳年被論。宦囊消索。此乃世逢合而絆住。逢沖之年月則開矣。
Result: In Si year, [because of] legal accusation, official purse emptied. This is Subject meeting combine and is impeded. [But when] meeting clash year or month, then it opens!