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Re: Quiz 40: Someone asking if is favourable to purchase for a residence
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Re: Quiz 40: Someone asking if is favourable to purchase for a residence
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2019, 08:54:01 AM »
況間爻重丑土發動,乃成群之小人從中破事,難許成交。

I've seen another version of the text:
況間爻重丑土發動,乃成群之小人從中破事,難許成交。

This is one is more correct, because it says two Chou.  Indeed in the hexagram there are only two and not there Chou.
And note that 間爻 is a specific Liu Yao term called "Intermediary Line".  It represents other people "in the process" of getting the house.  Depending on the context, it may be a property broker, a competitor for the purchase etc.  It may even be the bank that lends the money if it's an Officer line. 

As I said it depends on the context, because in ancient China, there is no bank credit for a house purchase.  But in modern times, very few people buy a house without a bank credit.
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Re: Quiz 40: Someone asking if is favourable to purchase for a residence
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Re: Quiz 40: Someone asking if is favourable to purchase for a residence
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2019, 05:26:48 PM »
Dear @Dao .. all hi ..
I think the focal Yongshen is the Price of the house ..  not the house itself.
So ..on (O)ther 5th line  Money Hai water is the Yongshen..
And on 6th unmoving  You metal is Yuanshen...
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Re: Quiz 40: Someone asking if is favourable to purchase for a residence
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2019, 03:47:38 PM »
What is the Yongshen? The Object of desire is the residence, and that lies on the Others line
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Re: Quiz 40: Someone asking if is favourable to purchase for a residence
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2019, 04:51:00 PM »
What is the Yongshen? The Object of desire is the residence, and that lies on the Others line.

My implying  was due to query structure. .. about purchasing for a house ... (Money )...
so i judged it as how  Transaction will done ... !!
Sure "The Object of desire is the residence" hence  Others  line .. but curiously  enough Money is on this line .. to inform the transaction ..!!😊😊
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Re: Quiz 40: Someone asking if is favourable to purchase for a residence
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2019, 06:49:52 PM »
Actually the main reason why Others line is the Yong Shen comes directly from how the question was formulated:

Someone asking if it is favourable to purchase a residence. 

If the question was formulated: Can I make a profit from buying and selling this house?, then the Wealth line would be the Yong Shen.

I understand your way of thinking that the monetary aspect is very relevant, because it sits on the Others line.  Point is well taken.  However, if the Wealth line does not sit on the Others line, it can also be significant for the divination.  For example, if Wealth combines with Others, then the monetary aspect is as relevant as in this case. 
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Hi all,

FYI. My translation of the case study using the 1691AD version of Zengshan Buyi (ZSBY) (see ZSBY-9 pdf in https://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=2011.0):

[Ex.34-161. E/L to T/H]
如巳月庚辰日。占買宅得臨之大壯。
Example: Si month, Geng Chen day. Divining about buying a house. Obtained Arriving [E/L], then Great Strength [T/H].
子   酉   丶丶         
財   亥   丶丶應         
兄弟   丑土   ㄨ      午火   
兄弟   丑土   ㄨ   兄   辰土   
鬼   卯   丶世         
父   巳   丶         

Earth-Lake Arriving [E/L]   Thunder-Heaven Great Strength [T/H]
Son-Daughter   You metal   丶丶   Brother-Sister   Xu earth   丶丶
Wife-Wealth   Hai water   丶丶Object   Son-Daughter   Shen metal   丶丶
Brother-Sister   Chou earth   ㄨ   Father-Mother   Wu(h) fire   丶
Brother-Sister   Chou earth   ㄨ   Brother-Sister   Chen earth   丶
Officer-Ghost   Mao wood   丶 Subject   Officer-Ghost   Yin(t) wood   丶
Father-Mother   Si fire   丶   Wife-Wealth   Zi water   丶

斷曰。世爻卯木。應爻亥水。乃是世應相生。必成之象。但嫌亥臨月破。不能生世。
Interpreting, I said: ?Subject line is Mao wood, Object line is Hai water. It means Subject, is by Object, produced. Will succeed is the image. But dislike Hai at Month Breaker, unable to produce Subject.?

況間爻二重丑土發動。乃成群之小人從中破阻。事已壞矣。難許成交。
?Moreover, in-between lines, two Chou earth moving. It is a large group of petty people from within, breaking and damaging. Matter already spoiled! Difficult to predict completion of [purchase] contract.?

彼曰。樣銀業已付訖。因彼用人。與說合之人。多索偏費未滿其慾。故伊悔言不賣。
Person said: ?Deposit of silver already paid. Because my servant said intermediaries had demanded more side fees, I did not satisfy such a wish. So, [seller] regretted to say that he would not sell.?

予曰。目下便多許之。亦無成也。應爻破而被剋。難得二家成就。
I said: ?At present, even if you offer more, yet without success. Object line is broken and countered. Difficult to obtain both sides agreement.?

後果不成。退囘樣銀。
Later result: [Sale] did not complete. [Seller] returned the deposit of silver.

此公大怒。煩當道親友。徃彼理曰。前日因何所見。引我瞧看內室。今又因何所見。退還樣銀。諸親徃彼。盡叱其非。彼亦甘受。
The person [inquiring] was furious, bothering, on the road, relatives and friends. [Servant] went to him to explain what, on prior day, he saw: ?[They] took me to look at the inner rooms. Now also because what was seen, I returned for the deposit of silver.? Various relatives went to him. All scolded him for being wrong, which he willingly accepted.

予詳卦中之間爻。二重土動。
I examined in detail the gua in-between lines of two earth moving:

近應爻者。卽如賣主身邊之人也。剋應爻者。破阻賣宅不成而無財也。
[The line] near to Object line, is like the seller having people around. Countering Object line, they break and hinder. So, sale of house not successful. This, without [gaining] wealth.

近世爻之土。亦剋應爻者。卽是買主央去之親友。眾叱其非。
[That line] near to Subject line, the earth, also countering Object line. Indeed being buyer s pleading relatives and friends. All scolded him for being wrong.

凡遇間爻動者。得日月沖剋可解。
When meeting in-between lines moving, obtaining day or month clash or counter, the situation can be resolved.