Sports Predicting - Ideas and Examples

[ren]

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[Kes1979]

Thanks for the contribution Ren.

Maybe we can start off with some matches first?

[Gmuli]

Ren: I like this material, thank you. : )

Will post link to excerpt from the topics in the old forums with Jack Chiu I mentioned. They are going over the same issues and it was interesting for me. In archive org we could see the original topic as well, but I can't find the links now.

Most interesting debate on Wen Wang Gua--a debate between the West and the East

[Tientai ✝️]

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[Kes1979]

Can i confirm something? For example in a hexagram, if Subject falls on the upper hexagram and Object falls on the lower hexagram.. does that means we only see the relationship on the 4th, 5th and 6th line for Subject and 1st, 2nd and 3rd line for object?

Please advice, thanks.

[Dao]

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[Tientai ✝️]

All participants. .hi

Let me clarify  my thoughts. .

1. if someone wants for simple curiosity to know the outcome of competitions. [.. does not bet ..experimenting only ] 

all examples of Ren  except the last one are free of favorability .. due to the kind of Query : who will win ?
On this case normally  the 1st is the Host teem Ti  (due to advantage of playground) and 2nd  is the Guest teem Marked as Yong  . ...

2. if he / she is poor and wants to earn little money from the bet. [betting .. but feel not safe and afraid don't fail]
3. if someone is ambitious and passionate about gambling and playing with plenty of money [he is optimistic that he is going to win]
4. if someone has shares (stock market ) and in order to win he must sell or buy [looks like betting]

All these are related to intention and vavorability .. and I borrow the "Why " of @The-Monk  .. meaning the inner thinking of mind -- Win  Money on betting ..??
Surely then Ti Self line is the favoured party of the asker in concern ..

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[Dao]

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[Gmuli]

Can i confirm something? For example in a hexagram, if Subject falls on the upper hexagram and Object falls on the lower hexagram.. does that means we only see the relationship on the 4th, 5th and 6th line for Subject and 1st, 2nd and 3rd line for object?

Please advice, thanks.

The way it works Others is always on the line that is mirroring Self  in the other Trigram. So they can never be in the same Trigram and they will always be the same line(so if Self is line 2, others is on line 5 etc.)

There is progression of how the Self(Ti) travels between the palaces(generation), gets lost(wondering spirit) then returns(returning spirit)... Its very useful to know, so we can use the position of the Hexagram in the Palace as extra info as well.
(popular example in Chinese Medicine- wondering spirit suggest the patient may fall in coma)

@hmesker had a very interesting article about it here.

https://www.biroco.com/yijing/eh.pdf

Self can be on every line, though, depending on the Palace and its position in it. Of course, that inevitable means the Others can be on every line as well, not just 4,5 and 6. But they are always mirroring each other and always in different Trigrams.

If you mean if the other 2 lines in that Trigram are considered as more related to the Self - Ti, while the other 2 in the other to the Others - Yong, sure.

[Tientai ✝️]

Dear @Dao .. hi ..

Yes .. you have right ..
But intention accounts  .. and have many levels ..!!
If one experimenting.. what is taken as Hexagram is different  for one is in flame to earn some money to solve some problems !!

As you see Divinity is one step forward....!!
My point of view is : Divinity is much more than Divination  ....

We always learning  from life ...

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