The famous and only successful escape from Alcatraz prison & Bazi Three Punishment

[Chat time]

I was browsing infographics in facebook and came across the escape of Frank Morris.
This group is probably the only prisoners that successfully escaped the Alcatraz prison.
They were never seen again since that fateful night. So either they successfully escaped or they drowned swimming to Angel Island.

Curious as always, I dugged up their birth date and had the following...

Frank Morris - 1st Sept 1926 (Look at his EB punishment)

John Anglin - 2nd May 1930

Clarence Anglin - 11th May 1931

Looking at their Bazi, obviously they didn't make it. It's so amazing that fate brought them together and Allen West(didn't manage to escape) was not destined to die.

Read up the stories when you have time... they are quite impressive executing the plans. Frank Morris also has an exceptional IQ level of 133!

[JLim (Darma W)]

The story can be found in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_1962_Alcatraz_escape_attempt

Day Pillar = Geng Chen
Month Pillar = Ding Wei
Year Pillar = Ren Yin

Some schools of Bazi consider a new Day Pillar after 11 pm, and escapes are often done very late at night.  Upon some reading "At some time after 10 p.m., investigators estimated, they boarded the raft..." so we can be sure that the Day Pillar is indeed Geng Chen.

Looking at their Bazi, obviously they didn't make it. It's so amazing that fate brought them together and Allen West(didn't manage to escape) was not destined to die.

I would not so much say "their Bazi" because the birth times are not available.  Bazi = eight characters.  Yes, i have checked some sources in the Internet, nothing there.

[Chat time]

Some schools of Bazi consider a new Day Pillar after 11 pm

Yes I heard some practised that but I use the early and late Zi theory. 

[JLim (Darma W)]

Frank Morris - 1st Sept 1926 (Look at his EB punishment)

  Y      M       D     H
Bing  Bing   Gui    X
Yin   Shen    Si     X

Yes, Yin-Shen-Si is an EB punishment.  But not all EB punishments are bad, they can make a great person!  It very much depends on the hour.  For example: Hans Høegh

  Y      M       D     H
Bing  Bing   Gui    Wu
Yin   Shen    Si     Wu

Norwegian businessman and chairman of organisations. He was president of the Norwegian Red Cross from 1975 to 1981, after which he became Secretary General of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies. From 1988 to 1993 Høegh was Assistant Secretary-General at the UN. He died in 2010 at 84 years of age.

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Høegh,_Hans



Based on Mangpai Bazi, the strong Wood and Fire gang controls Shen Metal as Seal (Resource) or 印 Yin.  Controlling Seal completely means he obtains "seal".  The seal can also be understood as respectable positions.

[Chat time]

Hans Høegh obviously is a weak chart. Could you explain how 1988 to 1993 he became Assistant Secretary General in the United Nations if he's born in Wu Wu hour?

So the EB Yin wood at year pillar is consider strong in this bazi? How do you tell? Because it's year of Tiger?

please take it slowly... I have too much to learn here.

[JLim (Darma W)]

1988 Wu Chen:
1) Chen: Chen swaps image with Gui DM, DM himself "arrived"
2) Wu: arrival of Wu (Officer) that combines with Gui DM in the natal chart

Actually, this topic is not about Hans Høegh.  I provided Hans' chart as an example where having the San Xing (Three Punishment) can also be good.  It all depends on the Hour, because we are doing Bazi (Eight Characters), and analyzing the whole chart with the hour.

[Chat time]

Nope... it's not about Hans but since you pointed towards 3 punishments can also be good. Actually I'm talking about his IQ133 and look at his 3 punishment. You suggested that it depend on the born hour and also provided an example of a man born in 1926! How about if the punishment is completed due to hour pillar?

e.g - Born in Wei year/ Yin Month/ Shen day/ Si hour

Now it's the hour that make up 3 punishment, how do we see it's good or bad?

[JLim (Darma W)]

I meant that whether the punishment is good or bad in this LiuZi chart below depends on the hour.  (LiuZi = Six Characters, without the Hour)

  Y      M       D     H
Bing  Bing   Gui    X
Yin   Shen    Si     X

How about if the punishment is completed due to hour pillar? 
Born in Wei year/ Yin Month/ Shen day/ Si hour.

That depends on the Bazi chart.

[ren]

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/alcatraz-escape-full-episode/2762/
Full Episode

The Alcatraz Escape
S15 Ep3 | Premiere date: Mar 29, 2016 | 00:55:10 | Video expires Mar 30, 2020

On June 11, 1962, bank robbers Frank Morris and Clarence & John Anglin launched a patchwork, raincoat raft into the frigid waters of San Francisco Bay surrounding Alcatraz Prison. The men disappeared, leaving behind a cold case that has mystified law enforcement for over half-a-century. Now, three Dutch scientists have used 3D modeling technology to show that it may have been possible for the men to have survived. Putting their theory to the test, the Dutchmen are recreating the daring escape as closely to the original as possible, right down to launching their own raincoat raft into the bay. Will they make it through the treacherous waters to safety or be swept out to sea? And can they prove once and for all what happened to the escapees?

 



   

[Flyingkite]

In traditional view, 3 EB punishment in natal is very strong individual. Considered positive thing. Meet repeated luck is up rank.

1 EB or 2 EB meeting the trio in AP and LP is usually bad for the person. Most of the time.

[JLim (Darma W)]

Hi flyingkite,

Do you mean that this configuration is usually bad?

natal chart: Yin-Shen-Si

AP: Yin/Shen/Si
or
LP: Yin/Shen/Si

[Flyingkite]

Hi flyingkite,

Do you mean that this configuration is usually bad?

natal chart: Yin-Shen-Si

AP: Yin/Shen/Si
or
LP: Yin/Shen/Si

Hi Jlim,

I mean full trio in natal is considered positive like Yin Shen Si. Xu Chou Wei. Lots of successful people have this configuration. Upon meeting the repeated punishment LP they uprank instead.

1 or 2 out of 3 meeting full tri-punishment in AP/LP is negative most of the time. They down rank instead.

[JLim (Darma W)]

1 or 2 out of 3 meeting full tri-punishment in AP/LP is negative most of the time. They down rank instead.

Do you mean something like Donald Trump's chart with Xu and Wei in the natal chart meeting Chou in the current LP?

Correct time. Vibrant structure Trump.

H    D     M     Y
Ji    Ji    Jia   Bing
Si  Wei  Wu   Xu       

2013-2023 LP Xin Chou

[Flyingkite]

1 or 2 out of 3 meeting full tri-punishment in AP/LP is negative most of the time. They down rank instead.

Do you mean something like Donald Trump's chart with Xu and Wei in the natal chart meeting Chou in the current LP?

Correct time. Vibrant structure Trump.

H    D     M     Y
Ji    Ji    Jia   Bing
Si  Wei  Wu   Xu       

2013-2023 LP Xin Chou

Trump Earth is his Yong shen hence went up in this cycle. Previous 2 cycles seem to lose and lose.

Roosevelt, Franklin D. I mean, meeting Yi Wei LP die. https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Roosevelt,_Franklin_D.
Jia Ji Xin Xin
Xu Si Chou Si

Full trio inside is people like Obama and Rafael Nadal. Xu Chou Wei and Si Shen Yin fully inside. Strong individuals against the odds. I am sure many more examples like Hans Høegh.
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Obama,_Barack
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nadal,_Rafael

[JLim (Darma W)]

Flyingkite, thanks for the chart examples that you posted!

Trump Earth is his Yong shen hence went up in this cycle. Previous 2 cycles seem to lose and lose.

In the previous 2 cycles through LP Ji Hai and LP Geng Zi (1993-2013), he grew in wealth by billions of dollars.  There are two versions of net worth.  The upper line is his own claim, while the lower line is estimation by his haters.  Both show a very significant growth over time.  In 2013, even haters estimate that his net worth had grown to nearly $4 billion!



Source: https://gawker.com/donald-trumps-grossly-exaggerated-net-worth-a-timeline-1711718182