Western Astrology

[Spiritsfan]

I don't use zodiac astrology due to many inconsistencies.  But I know well what it is built on.  Philosophy of antiquity.  And the zodiac does not correspond to this concept now.  BaZi has also been edited.  But the correct translation of the Tao Te Jing and the ancient hieroglyphs return the original meaning to the texts.  The BaZi is more consistent with the Kybalion and other similar texts.  Surprisingly.  In general, original Taoism answered all the questions for me.  And as for the text you cited.  When people can't compete with me, they write something like this.  I'm not surprised anymore .  I thought you would give a link to the pantheon of Sumerian gods, where, according to you, zodiac astrology came from.  But you will not give such information.  Because she doesn't exist.  You don't even know how many gods there are.  More than two thousand.  More than half of whom are kings.  Now tell me how, out of two thousand, it turned out to be 12. I find it interesting and funny at the same time.  Thank you.  I study ancient sources.  Very often these are late fakes.  And you mentioned the Torah.  But they didn’t say anything that Judaism is a religion that destroyed the religion of bull worship.  The Jews call it the golden calf.  A religion that despises wealth.  Therefore, the statues were made of gold. 牛.  Which is now called a horse in BaZi (!).  You have little idea of ​​the processes that took place then.  And on the basis of which astrology is based.  Because you use modern sources of information.

[Gmuli]

When people can't compete with me, they write something like this.

Well, I'm sure that makes most conversations very healthy and beneficial for you, right? : )
I'm not entirely sure I want to know, but lets check... So what exactly do you think we are competing in?

[Spiritsfan]

Competitions require rules.  Therefore, we have not a competition, but a misunderstanding.  When I ask people about something and use the knowledge from the sources I present.  I have one goal.  Find out something more.  But usually the interlocutor does not have such a knowledge base, and starts telling me about grain or something like that .  Because the original sources are very different from what is used now.  And people cannot clearly explain why such changes occurred.  Oh, and of course now everyone is excluding Gods.  Although sacrifices to the Gods are the foundation of any astrology.  And everything that was written by me.  This is my personal subjective opinion .

[Gmuli]

OK, lets go back...

So lets start here...

I thought you would give a link to the pantheon of Sumerian gods, where, according to you, zodiac astrology came from.  But you will not give such information.  Because she doesn't exist.

What is happening here?You think Sumerians didn't had gods, or that there is no information on that today?

Gods... That is just a word. If we use it for Planets, for Stems, for religions and for everything else around, that word may lose its meaning on the way. But whatever meaning it may have seems very different for us.

[Spiritsfan]

OK, lets go back...

So lets start here...

I thought you would give a link to the pantheon of Sumerian gods, where, according to you, zodiac astrology came from.  But you will not give such information.  Because she doesn't exist.

What is happening here?You think Sumerians didn't had gods, or that there is no information on that today?

Gods... That is just a word. If we use it for Planets, for Stems, for religions and for everything else around, that word may lose its meaning on the way. But whatever meaning it may have seems very different for us.

  You don't know the topic being discussed. I am writing to you in plain text that the Sumerians have over 2k Gods.  Of which more than half are kings.  Everything about the Gods is written in the source texts.  If for you Gods are just words.  Of course, nothing will work out for you in astrology.  Any.

[Gmuli]

Could be. I've read Enuma Enlish a while ago, seem to be a dozen or two names there we could attribute as gods.Some call them Planets in a lot more literal way then we do here, however, but that is fine as well.
While if we count Sitchins work we have pictograms of En.lil, En.ki Anu and others, but that seem to be falling into "Nefilim" and not "gods"... But then if we decide to call them Gods...

Don't really know. : )
I'm big fan of the idea words are not what they represent, so yes, in my view "gods" is a word. Its also something so obvious, that it feels strange to have to write it. Its not whatever we call with it, we may call with it a planet, or a feeling or anything, really, nor is that the same in each place worshiping or calculating something.
May mean I will never find astrology that works for me, who knows. But is not a concept I will abandon anytime soon, as in metaphysics I view that as more important then any system. 
As otherwise people tent to get a lot of... Thinking problems, have seen it in any system I've seen so far in metaphysics and to some degree even in science.
Just my view, of course.

About the Ram, Pisces and Aquarius - as far as I'm aware that is just the precession of the equinox. Earths tilting pointing to specific sign every 2k years or something...Started around Jesus the Pisces and in a hundred or so years, the "new age" people sink about...
No idea what is your explanation about it, but no gods there that I'm aware of, as well.

I think we should agree to disagree and move on?This won't lead anywhere, too much fundamental stuff we view in a different way.

[Spiritsfan]

The funniest thing.  What I understand is that if there is a concept and methods.  Then, to achieve the right result, two different people cannot have different views and methods within the same astrology.  Just like in physics.  There is a formula, there are initial data, there is a result.  Therefore the name metaphysics is applied to lies.  That astrology also gives the right result.  But our conversation with you shows that no.  Because you admit that there may be different methods.  But in fact, no.  For a true result in a certain astrology, only one method is possible.  I know this method for BaZi.  I don’t know such a method for zodiac astrology.  And I haven’t met people who could show it.

[Milla]

I combine Western and Chinese astrology. for example my forecast for 2024:The Dragon is the 12th house by position, so everything secret and intimate will burst into our lives. Since the tree is an educational activity, I believe the peak of astrological education will be, although in recent years interest in astrology among ordinary people has increased significantly, but in 2024 all records will be broken. Therefore, go ahead! record courses, master classes, conferences, etc., etc. Also, since the dragon is wooden, this is an image of printed literature, which means that some kind of book will be published, the main book, an important book because the sign is imperial, so we keep an eye on the latest in astrological literature or the general release of secret materials.

[Milla]

There are exactly 12 of them because it is along them that the sun moves, that’s all.

[Gmuli]

Spiritsfan: As long as you are happy all is good. If not, then one may need to revise stuff, no matter what others may say. : )

Milla: Makes sense. I liked this, lately, as well:
https://www.loktinfengshui.com.au/2024-yang-wood-dragon-heaven-luck-forecasts/

[Milla]

Therefore, the statues were made of gold. 牛.  Which is now called a horse in BaZi (!). 

Very interesting, thank you. The horse is the 10th house, which speaks of the podium/pedestal.

[Spiritsfan]

I'm talking about the accuracy of astrological forecasts and the history of astrology.  These questions have no impact on my happiness.  Replacing unprofessionalism with sophistry is a very cheap trick.  Surface.  But popular among metaphysicians .

[Milla]

I have been in Chinese astrology for more than 10 years, and in Western astrology even more, about 17, and specifically in traditional astrology, not popular. I am well acquainted with project Hindsight. Such research as a horse and a pedestal is not sophistry  This is proof of a unified system.

[Spiritsfan]

I have been in Chinese astrology for more than 10 years, and in Western astrology even more, about 17, and specifically in traditional astrology, not popular. I am well acquainted with project Hindsight. Such research as a horse and a pedestal is not sophistry  This is proof of a unified system.

Most people here know me from the site.  info.  Therefore, no one enters into a discussion with me.  I don't care how long you do what.  I'm only interested in the accuracy of the result.  Show off your skills in the free card reading request section.  Usually after a couple of months the level of knowledge of a person is already clear.  And his performance.  There are fewer requests here than on .  info.  Therefore, it may take more time.  And believe me, competition works wonders for selection.  Sometimes they tell me that I don't know BaZi.  And then these same people ask questions on topics that are revealed only in the Taoist BaZi.  For example, the pillars of luck and the northern and southern solar hemispheres.  And I remember these people to whom I responded to inquiries.  And I watch with interest their attempts to find information.  Because I gave them an accurate description of their life and prognosis.  Although they were rude to me in response.  And when everything happens as I described, passengers begin to look for information.  And the information is exclusive.  And I find out from it that it was I who advised the person for free.  I really hope that you will surprise everyone with your forecasting skills.

[Spiritsfan]

I have been in Chinese astrology for more than 10 years, and in Western astrology even more, about 17, and specifically in traditional astrology, not popular. I am well acquainted with project Hindsight. Such research as a horse and a pedestal is not sophistry  This is proof of a unified system.

@Milla
The message to which you responded, I wrote not to you, but to Gmuli.  But since you answered it, let’s immediately look at a couple of cases to find out your level.  Like professionals. 
The cases were previously published publicly.

.  Man.  March 12, 1974. 5-44.  After 2012, He fell ill with blood cancer.  Leukemia.  Spent a lot of money on treatment.  Cured.  Question.  What caused his illness and recovery.  Your version.