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Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« on: May 17, 2020, 05:38:44 PM »
I present some cases that I found useful for "self punishment " .. or Self bound ..
http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=453.msg2455#msg2455  I favour Croatia to win vs England \ who will win ??

http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=578.msg6413#msg6413  Real Case:How the state of health would develop?.......

http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=860.msg6078#msg6078  Will My Team Win - Does Subject and Object fall into Tomb?

http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=498.msg3027#msg3027  Real Case:How much precious is this program so that will benefit me?                                                                                                                                                                                                     

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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2020, 05:52:09 PM »
As I have mentioned a few times already, in my experience sport predictions(and lately I'm starting to agree it may just be anything that doesn't really concern us or we aren't directly related to by another person), doesn't work with the same rules as any other question. And may not be possible to do at all, as it seems to be the consensus.

As I have very nice success rate on questions from people around me and very low success rate on sport predictions, elections etc. And I really don't care about sports. it is, at the end, what makes sense.

So looking at the 2 sport examples doesn't seem a valid idea.
Looking the other 2 examples, I don't understand how this proves the idea of self punishment.

Lets check this:
http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=578.msg6413#msg6413
(the skin condition question).


The person asking on Self line seems to be with the Hai branch. That isn't the day or the month of asking.
That isn't incombination of Day or Month of asking. Unless we count Hai <> Wei as combination and if that is the case, then we will have a lot of other stuff to clear out before we move on to examples.
So I don't see how that relates?

We also doesn't seem to have results of what happened, making it even more challenging to support the idea that here we can see how self punishment works. : )

Edit: If I understand it correctly the outcome was that he healed fast?If so then that would make this example not really showing "self punishment"?
« Last Edit: May 17, 2020, 06:06:40 PM by Gmuli »

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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2020, 06:15:57 PM »
Ok Dear @Gmuli  ..
That's only the way I see some rules .. isn't necessary anyone to agree on this .. I said what I "noticed " .. only ...

All of us are learning .. and everything is valid on this road .. I don't rate the success of any case for impression. .!! I don't care ..!!                                                                           
Only is resulting... or simply just happens  ... !!
BTW the case http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=578.msg6413#msg6413
Is very composit and needs much attention  ..  !!!
That's all ...
« Last Edit: May 17, 2020, 06:25:39 PM by Tientai »

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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2020, 06:34:25 PM »
I will look for this though(self punishment etc.) if I see it showing up somewhere will be happy to post.

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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2020, 07:00:18 PM »
I will look for this though(self punishment etc.) if I see it showing up somewhere will be happy to post.                                                                                                                             

Thank you for this .. I will be happy to discuss for it with you ...
Please note that (Self punishment ) .. is very sensitive issue .. let me telling you how I manage it :                                                                                                                                   
■ as something is adding as a burden in the back of someone / or a case..!!
■ this burden due to heaviness stucks the movement of ...
■ You-You or Wu-wu  (Self punishment ):  hurt by negative romance
■ Chen-Chen  (Self punishment ):  lawsuit and imprisonment
■ Hai-Hai  (Self punishment ):  hurting legs or head

Other  meanings that come from classical Bazi  ....
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Self-punishment  could mean:

self-inflicted pain/ injury or depression
addiction
depression
worrisome
obtrusive
cannot let go of trivial matters
.......
The choice is yours ..
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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2020, 07:11:16 AM »
Hi Gmuli & Tientai,

Reply #7-#11 seems to be talking about Self punishment.  Can I shift them to a new topic "Self punishment in Liu Yao"?
Hi, Jlim. .
Yes you can shif them to a new topic .. "Self punishment in Liu Yao "                                                                                                                                                                                       
Will be easier to find, study and compare with new cases  ...

Hi, Gmuli...
Good idea on sharing Hexagrams of real cases relating health etc...
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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2020, 11:19:16 AM »
Hi Tientai, you posted this as a case study for this Self-punishment topic: Real Case:How the state of health would develop?......

Do you have any record on what happened in the following Hai month with regard to your friend's health, after the hexagram was raised?  In this hexagram, Self is Hai, and there is another line which is also Hai.
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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2020, 12:01:35 PM »
Everything is gone well on month Hai  .. the person is completely cured  ..
Hai month was made self punishment ( or self stuck)  for himself... this bursting open fushen and work for his cure  ..

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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2020, 12:58:15 PM »
In that case, there is a Month Si clashing Hai that frees up the hidden god.

And it seems that the following does not happen in Hai month:
■ Hai-Hai  (Self punishment ):  hurting legs or head
Other  meanings that come from classical Bazi  ....
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Self-punishment  could mean:

self-inflicted pain/ injury or depression
addiction
depression
worrisome
obtrusive
cannot let go of trivial matters
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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2020, 01:33:37 PM »
In the case: I favour Croatia to win vs England \ who will win ??, you correctly predicted Croatia to win. 
- You take Sibling Hai as representing England
- You note that Sibling in Hai hour has a self-punishment. 
Indeed Hai hour was when Croatia finally beat England. 

However: note that Hai is entombed in Chen.  To test self-punishment, we need to see where there is no other interaction.

I've just seen the detailed news about the match.  There is no suicide goal, which is like "self-inflicted injury".  If there was, then we could consider self-punishment to be in effect.
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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2020, 01:44:54 PM »
In this case: Real Case:How much precious is this program so that will benefit me?

You finalized the deal on Xu day (one day before Hai), so we don't know what could have happened on Hai day.
i remembered that i was thinking not to chose the Hai water (Sunday ) day because will make a self bound link with 4th Hai line .. on this case nothing could happen on this deal...
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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2020, 01:47:28 PM »
In this case: Will My Team Win - Does Subject and Object fall into Tomb?, there is again entombing into Chen, somewhat like the Croatia-England case.

@ren had watched the whole game, because that was his case.  So I would like to ask whether there was anything like suicide goal.  By the way, I had lived for some years in the US, but I don't understand American football  :-[
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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2020, 02:02:43 PM »
Let's say that on Self Hai line there there is officer that brings trouble to ones health  .. if month and or day brachart is Hai then the person is safe !!! .. but yes we must look for other considerations before .. Just as ."dual modulation method " .. and many other combinations ..
I could say that self punishment works " really" as punishment for conditions with favorable outcome. .                                                                                                                                       
But for bad situations self punishment works as "Self bound ."....
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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2020, 02:13:41 PM »
I could say that self punishment works " really" as punishment for conditions with favorable outcome. .   
Parking Space(SE) is a case with a favorable outcome.  Gmuli can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he felt any self-punishment when he happily found the parking space at Wu hour.  This is despite the hypothesis that Wu hour is in punishment with Wu Child line.  Child = hope/aspiration.
                                                                                                                               
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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2020, 03:06:40 PM »
I could say that self punishment works " really" as punishment for conditions with favorable outcome. .   
Parking Space(SE) is a case with a favorable outcome.  Gmuli can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he felt any self-punishment when he happily found the parking space at Wu hour.  This is despite the hypothesis that Wu hour is in punishment with Wu Child line.  Child = hope/aspiration.
                                                                                                                               

It was very smooth, happened right away so we were happy, yea.

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Hi, Jlim. .
Yes you can shif them to a new topic .. "Self punishment in Liu Yao "                                                                                                                                                                                       
Will be easier to find, study and compare with new cases  ...

Hi, Gmuli...
Good idea on sharing Hexagrams of real cases relating health etc...

I'm looking for examples that fit into the 3 branches mentioned. Not very often happens, in the last few months.

This is for a sandwich with specific type of mayo:
https://www.bright-hall.net/wwg/35,0,0,0,0,0,0,9,2,2020-01-19,10:32
I have recorded that I was fine the whole day on the next one. However, this one the line isn't moving its You<>You the whole time and it was after a period of worsening stuff, it started to get better at that day.

P.S. Its curious that my line clashes the asset line, with the day, but I don't look for that just for health stuff(so if the asset line was metal would have been worried).