What is wrong with these cats?!

[JLim (Darma W)]

Shen would be southwest but...

Yong Shen is Shen Metal, which is Southwest.  But in this case, the Flying God (Shen) comes with Hidden Line.  So the hidden line can also be an alternative direction.  Hidden line is Zi, which is North.  So, our best guess would be either Southwest or North.  I would not look at other lines to avoid confusing myself.

However, we can analyze something else apart from direction.  Shen is Metal, so the trash container may be metallic.  Flying God is Zi Water, so the cat may have died in/near a water ditch.  Then somebody picked it up and moved it to the trash.

It's because you missed out on some of the rules for Void/Empty. Which would have altered the reading.

Gmuli: What is the missed rule that would alter the meaning ?
Answer: it's simply the whole text that he wrote right below that sentence!

[Gmuli]

Answer: it's simply the whole text that he wrote right below that sentence!

That is the problem, I don't get it:

Within the interactions, there was simply no support helping the animal. You had the animal (Focus) not able to receive help (Void).

But the animal is able to receive help from the day, apparently, one of the strongest factors it can receive help from?

We see in all other examples, the line is attacked, but since the day is supporting it all goes fine.
Here we have the same, the line is attacked, yet the day isn't enough to help it, because... Why?

[JLim (Darma W)]

But the animal is able to receive help from the day, apparently, one of the strongest factors it can receive help from?

Yes, you're right.  But then further:

Let's enumerate one by one the dynamics of the Self line Shen Metal:
i) It is overcome by Month Wu Horse
ii) It is overcome by Moving Line Wu Horse
iii) It is supported by Day
In total, this is two minus vs. one plus, so the cat still "loses".  It's not sufficient and viable.

That's my take on it.

[Tientai ✝️]

Gmuli you impressed me why you insist on this .. is simple don't stuck on it  !!
Month is the basic "Commander of 30 days" of the day branches even if day is forceful on its acutness ...!!
On the other hand don't mixing the day of animal's death with the day of divination ... you must be more safe with month branch .. !!
...

[Gmuli]

Gmuli you impressed me why you insist on this .. is simple don't stuck on it  !!
Month is the basic "Commander of 30 days" of the day branches even if day is forceful on its acutness ...!!
On the other hand don't mixing the day of animal's death with the day of divination ... you must be more safe with month branch .. !!
...

Coz if that rule doesn't work clearly it may mean countless other problems upcoming in the future readings. Back that was animal, next time may be a person.

And I'm not saying I would expect the animal to be in perfect health or anything.

But my idea is - if we have Day and Month against the Line - that would suggest the animal is gone.
But we have day supporting it and month against it and we read it as also animal is gone is strange.
That basically means day isn't just weaker then month, its so weak that it doesn't change anything from the worse possible reading when both are against it. And that isn't right, in my view/experience.

Edit: Well, ok I get the idea that moving line carring the month may bring another meaning to it, yet still doesn't seem to fit to the worse case scenario when there is support from an important factor like day branch.

[Tientai ✝️]

Yes, but no mention about different day of animal's death and different day of divination making ...!!
Again for this case I insist that Yongshen is Zi water wealth fushen in 5th line and this can satisfy your request  .. also Jlim solved this Problem with fushen / feishen both originate from one line  .. by saying :

the Flying God (Shen) comes with Hidden Line.  So the hidden line can also be an alternative direction.  Hidden line is Zi, which is North.  So, our best guess would be either Southwest or North.  I would not look at other lines to avoid confusing myself.

....

[Gmuli]

...And finally the trash was North from the apartment.

That is ensure once more that Yongshen is Zi water wife /wealth hidden on 5th self line ..
如用神为水爻, 方位为北.
if Yongshen is in water line, then the direction is North...
..

Can we do that though?
I thought we aren't suppose to change the focus from what we have chosen initially?

[Tientai ✝️]

I would not change the focus of Yongshen  (Shen  metal ) ... if the Shi Shen Chou (Northeast direction if found the trash ) 3rd line could  be acceptable from Liu Yao users on this forum  ...!!!
Anyway I don't use it on regular basis  .. 
..

[Sacrar]

A noob question that comes to mind...in other posts (see post below) it was said that if a line in kong wang was supported by the Day (in this case Xu support Shen) it could mean a "fake void". Why does that rule not apply in this case?

About the theory part: the Wild Crane does not explain the Kong Wang (Void) part.  The Kong Wang of Xu Earth in this case is fake because it gains the strength from Day Chen.

http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=546.msg3091#msg3091

By another hand:

A. Unless it exists within the Month (as it is impossible for it to be Void and exist within the Day).

This sentence was misunderstood. Does it mean that the month can fill the void if it identifies with the line? In this case, would Shen month fill the void of the Shen Offsprings line?

[JLim (Darma W)]

A noob question that comes to mind...in other posts (see post below) it was said that if a line in kong wang was supported by the Day (in this case Xu support Shen) it could mean a "fake void". Why does that rule not apply in this case?

About the theory part: the Wild Crane does not explain the Kong Wang (Void) part.  The Kong Wang of Xu Earth in this case is fake because it gains the strength from Day Chen.

http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=546.msg3091#msg3091

Hi Sacrar, I think you misunderstood what I wrote.  Please read again.  It does apply in that other case too.

Furthermore in the link:
"Xu father helps the brother, but with half the energy."

Half the energy is not as good as full energy, but it's still helpful.  Look further what I wrote:
"The brother escaped heavy punishment just because father is 80 years old, and not because father actively did something to save him."

[Tientai ✝️]

Hi Sacrar, I think you misunderstood what I wrote.  Please read again.  It does apply in that other case too.

Furthermore in the link:
"Xu father helps the brother, but with half the energy."

Half the energy is not as good as full energy, but it's still helpful.  Look further what I wrote:
"The brother escaped heavy punishment just because father is 80 years old, and not because father actively did something to save him."

Very good explanation dear  Jlim  ..
I had a doubt too .. but now is very clear what means "fake void "...
Thanks
Tt.