Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing

[Kes1979]

Maybe can give me an example, the below print screen was a divination of one of the match. We can call it Team A vs Team B. I favours Team B to win and hence my Team B will be Ti. So how do you see the match result?

By the way for divination, can we do the matches a few times? that means i select a few matches then i toss the coins for divination...
Because from what i know... tried not to cast a divination too many times per day if not it wont be accurate.

Hi Tientai, you mention that rather than focus on The outcome of a soccer match (Win, draw or lose), you can focus on total goals. How do we see that in Hexagrams? Thanks

Well, one thing I was thinking about in that line was to use "asset" line and then bet on the match result a small amount. Then you don't need to care who will win the match, you just need to look if you will get money if you bet on that team. How to know that - Super I Ching has a lot on how to see investment/bets etc. May not be perfect, but I was somewhat happy with the way its presented there for that type of question.

I didn't actually tried it though, a lot of other stuff got in the way, but on similar questions it has worked fine enough(not sports related).

[Gmuli]

Assigning the teams is the big problem. I'm not sure how to do that in a consistant way. You can use what is used in the topic, Child<>Officer from Axis, in that case the Child team will be the guest team, as they are attacking the host(invading etc. much like Child element will be attacking Officer element, for example if Child is water, Officer will be Fire and water attacks fire).

Another view would be to set the team you ask for on Self, so if you ask if Manchester will win you set Manchester on Self line.

In my experience both are unreliable, as that was what the last few posts were all about. In that sense I can't really recommend approach there, can recommend to try the system in easier to read context, the sports events suggest we are already very well experienced in easier questions.

In short I would advice to start with situations that you know in a very good way, from daily life then get used to how the lines and trigrams fit to the events. After a few years/months can start to try to situation that aren't directly related to you and still get it somewhat correct. But sport events unless we clear it out for the line assignment I wouldn't advice for now.

I don't have problems with betting or gambling(as it is part of life much like the rest we view here), but they are more difficult to read at least from what I have seen.

Much like starting to learn the five arts from QMDJ... Its not impossible, yet if we view the people on the west that tried it it seems no one actually made it work. So step by step, from easy questions of events we know and can easily check to more difficult and complciated readings like elections, global events etc.

Only my view, of course. : )

[Gmuli]

I will try on that one, though as to give some example of how it could work, although again don't take it as real thing.

From this I would guess the team that is a guest in the match will lose as its line is much, much weaker(in the month and then again weak in the day), while the team that is host in the math is much stronger.

Meaning Child on Self is weak in day and month, while Officer on Yong is supported by the day.

Asset line moves in a way that will support the Self line. Does this line interact producing Other line... Even if it does the Slef line is still better supported as the Day is on its site.

To check that we can see if you asked the question from the point of view of the team that is the guest(as Child line is on Self).

Summary : The host team will win, starting strong then getting more equal during the match, but still stronger at the end.

If that was the question then both ways of reading seems to combine here. However even if its accurate now I wouldn't count on it for consistency. : )

What match is this btw?

[Kes1979]

The game end up at 1-2. With the host losing to away. This match is Rostov vs Lokomotiv Moscow

Sometimes i wonder do the tossing of the coins played a part as well... there were a few times that one of the coins dropped to the floor and i have to do it again but i did not restart back to Line 1.

Because at that particular timing, i toss the coins for about 6 matches at one go...

I will try on that one, though as to give some example of how it could work, although again don't take it as real thing.

From this I would guess the team that is a guest in the match will lose as its line is much, much weaker(in the month and then again weak in the day), while the team that is host in the math is much stronger.

Meaning Child on Self is weak in day and month, while Officer on Yong is supported by the day.

Asset line moves in a way that will support the Self line. Does this line interact producing Other line... Even if it does the Slef line is still better supported as the Day is on its site.

To check that we can see if you asked the question from the point of view of the team that is the guest(as Child line is on Self).

Summary : The host team will win, starting strong then getting more equal during the match, but still stronger at the end.

If that was the question then both ways of reading seems to combine here. However even if its accurate now I wouldn't count on it for consistency. : )

What match is this btw?

[Gmuli]

The game end up at 1-2. With the host losing to away. This match is Rostov vs Lokomotiv Moscow

Sometimes i wonder do the tossing of the coins played a part as well... there were a few times that one of the coins dropped to the floor and i have to do it again but i did not restart back to Line 1.

Because at that particular timing, i toss the coins for about 6 matches at one go...

I will try on that one, though as to give some example of how it could work, although again don't take it as real thing.

From this I would guess the team that is a guest in the match will lose as its line is much, much weaker(in the month and then again weak in the day), while the team that is host in the math is much stronger.

Meaning Child on Self is weak in day and month, while Officer on Yong is supported by the day.

Asset line moves in a way that will support the Self line. Does this line interact producing Other line... Even if it does the Slef line is still better supported as the Day is on its site.

To check that we can see if you asked the question from the point of view of the team that is the guest(as Child line is on Self).

Summary : The host team will win, starting strong then getting more equal during the match, but still stronger at the end.

If that was the question then both ways of reading seems to combine here. However even if its accurate now I wouldn't count on it for consistency. : )

What match is this btw?

Puppylove used to say we choose whatever site we see first when we take it.
But again would advice to start with real life situations and after that move to sport events or other global events. As that part I haven't seen people in real time predicting it in forums with high enough accuracy.

Jack Chiu has a very impressive example in his book, but we can't really know the circumstances it was made and how accurate he was before the match actually happened, as his other examples in forums were all after the matches were over.

So in short - the sport branch of the system isn't working very well yet. Someday, hopefully...

[Kes1979]

Let me check w Jlim and see whether we can shed some lights

[Tientai ✝️]

I give my way of viewing the Resault analysis ...

Maybe can give me an example, the below print screen was a divination of one of the match. We can call it Team A vs Team B. I favours Team B to win and hence my Team B will be Ti. So how do you see the match result?

When two football teams are in contest  ... the 1st is the Host teem Ti  (due to advantage of playground) and 2nd  is the Guest teem Marked as Yong  . This must be permanent and not changeable. !!

I will try on that one, though as to give some example of how it could work, although again don't take it as real thing.

From this I would guess the team that is a guest in the match will lose as its line is much, much weaker(in the month and then again weak in the day), while the team that is host in the math is much stronger.

Meaning Child on Self is weak in day and month, while Officer on Yong is supported by the day.

Asset line moves in a way that will support the Self line. Does this line interact producing Other line... Even if it does the Slef line is still better supported as the Day is on its site.

To check that we can see if you asked the question from the point of view of the team that is the guest(as Child line is on Self).

.. this was the case not give adequate result ... !!
In Alex Chius SuperIChing there is a quote saying that there is a big problem when seen Ti line having Child star ... (for queries on gaining Money )...
It seems as owner is going to spend stupidly and unnecessarily money. !!
I agree with Alex C. that Child is the source of Money (Asset ) .. and if found in Ti line  then owner is going to spend money just like a spring .. !!  [ on this case Chilld gives the opportunity to other teem  party to win  ] or [ Pocket exhausting .. !!]

Assigning the teams is the big problem. I'm not sure how to do that in a consistant way. You can use what is used in the topic, Child<>Officer from Axis, in that case the Child team will be the guest team, as they are attacking the host(invading etc. much like Child element will be attacking Officer element, for example if Child is water, Officer will be Fire and water attacks fire).

Child  - officer must be used very carefully  .. this is much useful for a battle [ par example ..or if someone is a Coach trainer of a teem ]  ... and not for a game .. perhaps there are some Similarities  but for gambling I think is much confused choice ..!!

Tt.

[Dao]

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[Gmuli]

Soo... I read the old topics and stuff, I think I have to give it some more tries, as by the Chiu rules back then the example we looked at last would have worked.

Lets view:
Liverpool vs. Huddersfield Town

Host - Liverpool.



Asked few seconds ago. The match is today at 21 my time(so in 5:36 hours of hosting).

Liverpool is host, also I'm more familiar with it, so I would say that is on Self line.
Huddersfield is on Others.

Both lines are in Void and will still be in Void when the match is played out.
They combine also both are strong in the day and month.
Liverpool maybe a little stronger.

So they combine - meaning no major problems between them, they should get along fine.
They are in void, suggest 0:0.

Both lines aren't moving, one more idea of 0:0.

A lot of other lines are moving.

Officer(the referee?) is moving, suggest activness from him in the match, however no major cards as he turns to himself and doesn't directly attack any line.Si<>Shen combination with the day also should restrict him.

Xu as Asset is moving that will empower Wei if it wasn't in void.
Does it make Combination with Wu on Others... Depends on the rules we use, but as it is line 4 and 6 I guess maybe it does. So maybe Other team is stronger then it seems. Still in void, though.

Si line is moving combining with Shen, and helping both teams. That line is Child also on the Day Branch. They will play well?Will turn to Chen earth supporting Liverpool more.

Summary: Would expect to be without any winner, without injuries or problems between the teams, they should go along nice. Not a lot of support from the crowd, however.

If I have to guess a exact score with go with 0:0.

The alternative rule here for Child and Officer...
Looking only at Child and Officer, if we take them as the teams themselves, Child as host(Liverpool) then I would guess that Liverpool may lose as the Child line is moving in a way to empower the Officer, restricting him at start then producing him at the end.

Lets see . : )

Of course, all this is just for fun, as previously mentioned so far it doesn't seem sport events work very well for me with the system, even though the other types of questions usually work well enough.

[Tientai ✝️]

My opinion is that Liverpool will win  ...!!
Let's see what will happen  ..
I will decipher later on ...
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[Gmuli]

Well, we have all possible conclusions covered, so we can figure out a potential rule no matter how it ends and that is good. : )

[Tientai ✝️]

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Looking only at Child and Officer, if we take them as the teams themselves, Child as host(Liverpool) then I would guess that Liverpool may lose as the Child line is moving in a way to empower the Officer, restricting him at start then producing him at the end.

.. try a quick  correction @Gmuli ...
 Host Ti Self Asset (Gain /wealth ) line as (Liverpool) and Child as Gest  Yong -Other line  is (Huddersfield Town) ....
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[Gmuli]

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Looking only at Child and Officer, if we take them as the teams themselves, Child as host(Liverpool) then I would guess that Liverpool may lose as the Child line is moving in a way to empower the Officer, restricting him at start then producing him at the end.

.. try a quick  correction @Gmuli ...
 Host Ti Self Asset (Gain /wealth ) line as (Liverpool) and Child as Gest  Yong -Other line  is (Huddersfield Town) ....
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Well, then it would be the opposite. : )
But that is what I did for the last match with the idea Child is attacking Officer.
It didn't work out, in the example Jack Chiu is using it the other way with the idea that Officer is attacking the hexagram, so the attacking team, while Child is attacking Officer, so our team.

[Gmuli]

Well, Liverpool won with 3:0...
No possible rule of what we covered seems to work here...

As Tientai said if we switch Child/Officer it would work, but that is what I tried the last time and it didn't work then... So in my view - again, something is still missing. : )

As far as line strengths go I'm confident there as that has proven in thousands of examples by now for non sport events.  So again we get to line assignment and in my view not much have changed, there are still rules that doesn't seem to work there.

[Dao]

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